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Post by adrianc on Jun 21, 2024 11:27:14 GMT
If parties are incapable of changing, at which historical point would you say the Conservative party was stuck? It's present sorry state was brought about by Cameron changing the type of approved candidates, so you do have a point. I don't think the members have changed. Diversity of ethnicity and gender is a bad thing? The Tory party would have been better staying male, pale, and stale? www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/dec/12/conservatives.uk1
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Post by adrianc on Jun 21, 2024 11:29:26 GMT
Anyway, fancy getting outside your entrenched mindset, and seeing which party/ies best fit your view of issues? uk.isidewith.com/ - questions based on public pronouncements as well as manifestos. For me, it's come back with 90% Labour, 89% LD, 87% Green, 49% Conservative, 23% Reform |
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Post by JamesFrance on Jun 21, 2024 11:51:12 GMT
adrianc There is no point in continuing this as I believe it is people who think like you who are the reason for the sad state of the UK now. We will never agree.
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Post by keitha on Jun 21, 2024 13:54:09 GMT
Anyway, fancy getting outside your entrenched mindset, and seeing which party/ies best fit your view of issues? uk.isidewith.com/ - questions based on public pronouncements as well as manifestos. For me, it's come back with 90% Labour, 89% LD, 87% Green, 49% Conservative, 23% Reform UKIP, Conservative, SDP, Workers party, Volt change 2 answers and get SDP UKIP conservative Find that totally unbelieveable, the SPD is Big Government and that is something i'm strongly against I also get 64% UKIP, 60% conservative, 59% Workers party of great Britain blimey talk about confused Far Left and right separated by 5 points
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Post by zlb on Jun 21, 2024 14:26:56 GMT
well it's curious as to what will happen. As a lay onlooker this is a time when I'd expect reviewers to say isms like 'we're due a small correction ' and what goes up must come down ' etc, but people aren't saying this. And that is the time to collect your drink and handbag and edge towards the exit…
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ah right. Well thank you.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 21, 2024 14:39:15 GMT
Find that totally unbelieveable, the SPD is Big Government and that is something i'm strongly against Are you thinking of the old SDP, the "gang of four"? The new lot share nothing but the name, and are down the Reform/1950s end of the spectrum on just about everything. We've got one of their candidates here. He can't even be bothered to turn up to the hustings etc.
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Post by keitha on Jun 21, 2024 15:07:27 GMT
on that topic, Whatever happened to the TIGGERS apart from disappearing in less than a year
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Post by adrianc on Jun 21, 2024 15:12:01 GMT
on that topic, Whatever happened to the TIGGERS apart from disappearing in less than a year ChangeUK - Anna Soubry et al? They retired from politics. Soubry went back to the bar, Umunna to JPMorgan, etc etc. Some lost talent there.
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Post by agent69 on Jun 21, 2024 15:22:58 GMT
And the Official Monster Raving Loony Party have never been the same since Lord Such departed this planet, although some of their policies appear reasonable........... AIR bags will be fitted to the Stock Exchange immediately, ready for the next crash.
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Post by captainconfident on Jun 21, 2024 21:54:39 GMT
Its going to be interesting to see how people react to the election result, now that one of the parties in a two party has imploded. The fptp system is going to award the seats wildly disproportionately to the size if the vote, with Reform and the Greens with next to nothing and Labour vastly over represented.
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Post by keitha on Jun 22, 2024 9:36:49 GMT
Its going to be interesting to see how people react to the election result, now that one of the parties in a two party has imploded. The fptp system is going to award the seats wildly disproportionately to the size if the vote, with Reform and the Greens with next to nothing and Labour vastly over represented. the last figure I saw was labour 450 seats with 40% of the vote Conservative 80 on 20% Reform 3 on 19% Lib dems 65 on 12% greens 2 on 6% so might this be the election where the libdems stop shouting for PR, and the Conservatives and reform want PR.
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Post by captainconfident on Jun 22, 2024 12:00:00 GMT
So on this reckoning the party with 40% of the vote gets 75% of the seats. They don't ah, mention reforming the voting system in their manifesto.
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Post by rscal on Jun 22, 2024 18:50:48 GMT
So on this reckoning the party with 40% of the vote gets 75% of the seats. They don't ah, mention reforming the voting system in their manifesto. I just hope Starmer doesn't get the '40%' which Crobyn acheived in 2017 (say only 38 or 39 to form his government) We need to see the pain equitably distributed on these naughty people that steamrollered over our freedoms whilst the so called opposition sat back and screamed for 'more' brutality.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 22, 2024 18:51:54 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 23, 2024 7:42:21 GMT
I see that Bracknell's finest, and aide to the Home Secretary, is excelling himself: Aide to home secretary says Rwanda scheme is ' '
Statements made at a private meeting of the Young Conservatives back in April. Amongst the gems in here are: "Mr Sunderland is heard to say: "I have been part of this for the last two years, and I’m immersed in it and I probably shouldn’t’ say too much.
"What I would say to you is that - nobody has got their cameras on, their phones - the policy is , OK? It’s ." "and also the following: Mr Sunderland also criticises other colleagues for "courting controversy" and "polarising opinion".
He said: "I’m not saying stupid things. I’m not on the front page of the newspaper. ..."As reported on the UK News section of the BBC website. That went well then. |
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