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Post by benaj on Jun 24, 2024 7:22:40 GMT
A leaflet from Reform UK has been delivered to my address. I didn’t like it. Only Mr Farage and the other guy faces are shown, not the actual candidate standing himself.
Is it even allowed to be promoted like this?
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Post by adrianc on Jun 24, 2024 8:02:52 GMT
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Post by registerme on Jun 24, 2024 13:26:11 GMT
"Starmer is fine. But somewhere in England an Asda is missing its manager".
- Jimmy Carr
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Post by michaelc on Jun 24, 2024 13:30:41 GMT
I get the impression that if the public face of Reform was a bit more user friendly then they would do a lot better. They are the friendly face... of the National Front/BNP/EDL. The current Tory party are the even friendlier face. "The current Tory party is the even friendlier face of the National Front/BNP" ? Right...... 
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Post by adrianc on Jun 24, 2024 13:35:53 GMT
They are the friendly face... of the National Front/BNP/EDL. The current Tory party are the even friendlier face. "The current Tory party is the even friendlier face of the National Front/BNP" ? Right...... Yes, but you missed that middle step out. Centre-right ---------> Current Tories --> RefUK --> NF/BNP/EDL/Lozza
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Post by rscal on Jun 24, 2024 13:39:31 GMT
Selection of candidates is the key to a proper functioning democracy - and as we can see it's a process which has largely been stitched up to suit the convenience of large parties. Political parties are themselves an aberration of democracy - albeit one we have become inured to.
But if there was some kind of 'law' on candidate selection it might go something like this: You don't have to belong to a party but if you do your organ has to offer a constituency wide form of candidate selection where not less than bieninally. Constitunency wide means that - the electors in a constituency.
Now I know what you're going to say: if you are 'no show' voter anyway why would it matter to you that the candidate wasn't just chosen by six people? But that's where is ends if we let the current forms of (narrowing) selection to continue. [Of course I voted in favour of AV in 2011 but not enough good 'democrats' joined with me there!]
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Post by michaelc on Jun 24, 2024 13:39:34 GMT
"The current Tory party is the even friendlier face of the National Front/BNP" ? Right...... Yes, but you missed that middle step out. Centre-right ---------> Current Tories --> RefUK --> NF/BNP/EDL/Lozza I did not - I quoted your sentence in its entirety which even included the word "even". 
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Post by adrianc on Jun 24, 2024 13:40:26 GMT
Yes, but you missed that middle step out. Centre-right ---------> Current Tories --> RefUK --> NF/BNP/EDL/Lozza I did not - I quoted your sentence in its entirety which even included the word "even". Now read it in conjunction with the previous sentence, the one you snipped.
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Post by rscal on Jun 24, 2024 13:41:45 GMT
"Starmer is fine. But somewhere in England an Asda is missing its manager". - Jimmy Carr Suggestion:
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Post by michaelc on Jun 24, 2024 13:41:47 GMT
I did not - I quoted your sentence in its entirety which even included the word "even". Now read it in conjunction with the previous sentence, the one you snipped. Why is that relevant ? You made two comments and one of them said the Tories are the even friendlier face of the BNP. Its nonsense.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 24, 2024 13:44:19 GMT
Wasn't it 'trust-me' Dave Cameron who 'promised' to hold primary elections for 200 of his candidates as a test run to this idea? Nothing happened because he didn't mean it of course. They have been holding them. Not 200... but a few in 2010, the 2014 UKIP byelections, a dozen or so for 2015, and one for 2019. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_parliamentary_primariesThe 2015 and 2016 Labour leadership elections showed the risk of totally open selections, with the opposition able to vote for the least electable candidate...
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Post by adrianc on Jun 24, 2024 13:46:34 GMT
Now read it in conjunction with the previous sentence, the one you snipped. Why is that relevant ? You made two comments and one of them said the Tories are the even friendlier face of the BNP. Its nonsense. No, it was a single comment, spread across two sentences. This sometimes happens with more complex concepts, although I understand why that might be a little hard for you to grasp. But if you wish to view it as one, then fine. I mean, I already agreed with you that there's a direct route between the current Tories and the fringe fruitbat-bigot brigade... "Yes, but..."Centre-right ---------> Current Tories --> (RefUK) --> NF/BNP/EDL/Lozza
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Post by agent69 on Jun 24, 2024 15:37:26 GMT
Wasn't it 'trust-me' Dave Cameron who 'promised' to hold primary elections for 200 of his candidates as a test run to this idea? Nothing happened because he didn't mean it of course. I thought that 'Trust me (I'm an ok sort of guy)' was Teflon Tony?
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Post by agent69 on Jun 24, 2024 17:11:35 GMT
A leaflet from Reform UK has been delivered to my address. I didn’t like it. Only Mr Farage and the other guy faces are shown, not the actual candidate standing himself. Is it even allowed to be promoted like this? I got one of those today as well.
A5 size, cut price tat. However, I know a few locals who might vote for them given the pledge for 'zero waiting lists'. Been lots of complaints recently about how long it takes to get membership of the golf club.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jun 24, 2024 20:09:58 GMT
They are the friendly face... of the National Front/BNP/EDL. The current Tory party are the even friendlier face. "The current Tory party is the even friendlier face of the National Front/BNP" ? Right......
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