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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jan 25, 2015 11:40:31 GMT
I had a ramble through the forum and FAQs, but I can't find a nice concise explanation of how this works. Apparently I can't bid on new loans (or maybe I can, after the underwriters have already bid enough to cover it?), so can someone explain how it really works. What do you need to be an underwriter (how many zeros of HNW?) (and does it pay .. presumably it must do, although maybe not as well as flipping over on FC?), what's a 'shadow bidder' (and where have you all hidden the glossary!!). I did download the Assetz PDF document (white text on purple / pale grey .. nasty to print/read .. I wonder if Ratesetter caught it from here) but that wasn't much help either. 8<. Maybe I need to add another brain to the quorum.
TIA
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 25, 2015 12:15:27 GMT
I had a ramble through the forum and FAQs, but I can't find a nice concise explanation of how this works. Apparently I can't bid on new loans (or maybe I can, after the underwriters have already bid enough to cover it?), so can someone explain how it really works. What do you need to be an underwriter (how many zeros of HNW?) (and does it pay .. presumably it must do, although maybe not as well as flipping over on FC?), what's a 'shadow bidder' (and where have you all hidden the glossary!!). I did download the Assetz PDF document (white text on purple / pale grey .. nasty to print/read .. I wonder if Ratesetter caught it from here) but that wasn't much help either. 8<. Maybe I need to add another brain to the quorum. TIA You cant take part in loans until they are drawndown as Ac no longer uses an open auction system. All new loans are made available to underwriters to bid on and once they are filled and drawndown, then us mortals can grab a share as and when the UW sell down their holdings. You can set an investment target on pending loans the same way as you do with other loans, which the system will attempt to fulfill once UW release it to the market. Cant comment on amount of 000 or benefits of UW but there are a few loitering around the forums who can. Shadow bids were a feature of the old system which allowed significant lenders to pledge money to loans and then fund their account once to loan was due to drawdown. They do not exist under the new system but as some loans that had auctions on the old system still havent drawndown there are still some shadow bids potentially outstanding.
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Post by bugs4me on Jan 25, 2015 12:19:35 GMT
I had a ramble through the forum and FAQs, but I can't find a nice concise explanation of how this works. Apparently I can't bid on new loans (or maybe I can, after the underwriters have already bid enough to cover it?), so can someone explain how it really works. What do you need to be an underwriter (how many zeros of HNW?) (and does it pay .. presumably it must do, although maybe not as well as flipping over on FC?), what's a 'shadow bidder' (and where have you all hidden the glossary!!). I did download the Assetz PDF document (white text on purple / pale grey .. nasty to print/read .. I wonder if Ratesetter caught it from here) but that wasn't much help either. 8<. Maybe I need to add another brain to the quorum. TIA To become an underwriter simply drop AC an e-mail. The minimum requirement was posted around here some time ago but the figures may have changed by now. Shadow Bidding is a thing of the past since AC decided all proposals would be fully underwritten prior to launching into the wilds. All you can do is set your target investment and hopefully you will be allocated some units if/when they become available. You do need though to have some spare funds sloshing around in the system for this to happen and the amount you are allocated depends upon how many other investors/lenders are after a slice of that particular cake. When units are available and if haven't got any spare cash in the system, there is a delay in transferring in to your MLIA so there's always the possibility that once your funds are credited those units will no longer be available. Unfortunately the old Go-Cardless system was dropped a few months ago and hasn't been replaced with anything.
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Post by batchoy on Jan 25, 2015 13:56:40 GMT
I had a ramble through the forum and FAQs, but I can't find a nice concise explanation of how this works. Apparently I can't bid on new loans (or maybe I can, after the underwriters have already bid enough to cover it?), so can someone explain how it really works. What do you need to be an underwriter (how many zeros of HNW?) (and does it pay .. presumably it must do, although maybe not as well as flipping over on FC?), what's a 'shadow bidder' (and where have you all hidden the glossary!!). I did download the Assetz PDF document (white text on purple / pale grey .. nasty to print/read .. I wonder if Ratesetter caught it from here) but that wasn't much help either. 8<. Maybe I need to add another brain to the quorum. TIA Firstly as others have said Shadow Bidding was a thing of the past so not worth spending time on. Within the AC system there are currently two products the manual(?) product generally referred to as the MLIA and the automatic GEIA which automatically invests your fund in Green(?) loans and manages the diversification of your funds across eligible loans. The key thing to remember with AC is there is only a secondary market as all loans are initially fully funded by underwriters who then have to release a certain amount of the loan to retail investors once the loans are drawn down and there are no bids, the platform is based around targets. In the MLIA you set a target for the total you want to invest in an individual loan, inject some cash into your MLIA and wait. If there is more of the loan available for sale than there are unfulfilled targets backed by free cash then your target will be fully fulfilled, however if the overall total of unfulfilled targets backed by free cash out weighs the amount that is put up for sale then the platform will share the available amount of loan across all the accounts with unfulfilled targets backed by free cash and so you target will be only partially fulfilled. Once you have an investment in a loan you have the choice of disabling the target (the loan will will amortise if it is an amortising loan), leave the target running (the platform will constantly attempt to maintain the the principle amount you hold even if the loan is amortising), increase your target (the platform will attempt to increase you holding to match the target), reduce the target (if the target is below your holding the platform will attempt to sell the excess). It is important to note that although this is referred to a manual account your control over where funds are directed is limited and your free cash will be invested wherever you have targets set and loans become available. With very few loans coming through the AC pipeline the only ones that are generally available are either ones which are unpopular or very large so lenders have typically had their fill. My personal view is that the platform as it stands now is geared to regular savers putting in a few pounds each month which the platform will eventually absorb rather than large investors wishing put in larger 3 figure plus sums in one hit.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jan 25, 2015 15:14:06 GMT
Thanks to all who responded .. I think I will go for a shallow dip and see how the water feels (I believe underwriting, while profitable, probably requires [at least] one more zero than I am comfortable with. 8>.)
I am not interested in the GEIA .. the only thing green about wind turbines IMO is the countryside they generally site them in (offshore is OK with me .. preferably outside territorial waters. 8>.) Roofing all new builds with solar panels I could sign up for (not that I'm a big proponent of building 1 million new houses either). Biomass boilers OK, if you feed them with the right stuff which hasn't been shipped halfway around the world (the local coal fired power station was converted to woodchip .. American woodchip, iirc!).
Oh b*gger, I'm starting to sound like Co-Op bank or the Green party. Bring back unethical investing!!
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 25, 2015 21:57:39 GMT
With very few loans coming through the AC pipeline the only ones that are generally available are either ones which are unpopular or very large so lenders have typically had their fill. My personal view is that the platform as it stands now is geared to regular savers putting in a few pounds each month which the platform will eventually absorb rather than large investors wishing put in larger 3 figure plus sums in one hit. In addition to the people trying to invest large sums in an hurry, lenders with large balances can have problems re-deploying repayments as they come in if they already have their fill of the loans with units available in the Aftermarket.
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