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Post by bob2010 on Jun 30, 2023 9:18:54 GMT
I'm still on the fence about taking legal action. I did contact Mendelsons but I don't feel comfortable about giving them 30%+ on what they recover. I was told the maximum would be the investment only and they won't claim back any legal costs from Assetz hence why it's such a % large cut. Is it really worth it? The FOS very rarely makes awards of costs for legal representation. I assume this is the primary route the solicitors are taking initially. Usually both sides pay their own costs incurred in relation to a FOS complaint so there really isn't an option. The investor action group i signed up to in a mini bond case negotiated a much lower fee (plus vat) with a different solicitors following a small initial investment to get an experienced financial services barrister to write his legal opinion. This helped dramatically. The no win no fee was capped, nothing extra for expenses like phone calls others have mentioned in posts. The case was won. It took many years. I can't fault the solicitors involved in this case. They were also successful in another mini bond case mentioned in the article. www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/investing/article-5917139/SEB-mini-bond-investors-victory-three-years-7-5m-collapse.htmlEvery case is different, i don't know exactly the points of law the solicitors will argue in the AC case. The mini bond case was very different. I would urge those going down this route to form a group and immediately stop discussing too much detail in public about it. Approach a few more solicitors and, see if they are interested. If that's the course that they go down, how would that differ from waiting out from the complaint I raised with FOS directly? Also if the FOS rule against Assetz, wouldn't they reward it to everyone who had raised a complaint against Assets
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Post by jlend on Jun 30, 2023 10:50:24 GMT
The FOS very rarely makes awards of costs for legal representation. I assume this is the primary route the solicitors are taking initially. Usually both sides pay their own costs incurred in relation to a FOS complaint so there really isn't an option. The investor action group i signed up to in a mini bond case negotiated a much lower fee (plus vat) with a different solicitors following a small initial investment to get an experienced financial services barrister to write his legal opinion. This helped dramatically. The no win no fee was capped, nothing extra for expenses like phone calls others have mentioned in posts. The case was won. It took many years. I can't fault the solicitors involved in this case. They were also successful in another mini bond case mentioned in the article. www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/investing/article-5917139/SEB-mini-bond-investors-victory-three-years-7-5m-collapse.htmlEvery case is different, i don't know exactly the points of law the solicitors will argue in the AC case. The mini bond case was very different. I would urge those going down this route to form a group and immediately stop discussing too much detail in public about it. Approach a few more solicitors and, see if they are interested. If that's the course that they go down, how would that differ from waiting out from the complaint I raised with FOS directly? Also if the FOS rule against Assetz, wouldn't they reward it to everyone who had raised a complaint against Assets Good questions. 1. How would that differ from waiting out from the complaint I raised with FOS directly? Absolutely nothing wrong with doing it all yourself. I expect many will. Depends on how good you think you are at knowing the legislation and understanding the implications of the AC terms and if you would like some help. Then how good you are at putting that in writing and what experience you have of what the FOS is typically looking for. It is a personal judgement call. Only you can decide if it is worth paying for professional help in some form and what you are willing to pay. I have no idea if this solicitor is worth it. The more people an action group could get to agree in principle to sign up, the better offer you would likely get if you shopped around. 2. If the FOS rule against Assetz, wouldn't they reward it to everyone who had raised a complaint against Assets? No. The FOS has to deal with each complaint separately in law. They have no jurisdiction to do this automatically. In fact they have to be careful not to do this automatically. Having said that if your complaint is the same, the FOS is very likely to rule in a similar way. So it depends to some extent what your complaint is and how good you are at articulating it,as per point 1. It also depends on AC, as they may decide to do the same or something similar for everyone. Just remember many complaints via the FOS are settled before the final step in the FOS process so you never see the FOS ruling so you wouldn't know what was going on by looking at the FOS website. Ultimately it is a personal choice. I am pretty confident in saying we would never have got compensation in the mini bond case without a proportion of investors working with legal support. It was simply too complex, even though the FOS say you can do it alone. Exactly what help you get and how much it costs varies. Honestly everyone should make a personal decision.
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Post by scepticalinvestor on Jun 30, 2023 14:28:59 GMT
Thanks jlend, appreciate the measured comment. To me individually, it's most definitely worth a shot. Imho, Assetz does not give a toss about retail lenders' interests and we have no power or influence over any decisions they make.
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Post by jlend on Jun 30, 2023 17:24:52 GMT
I'm still on the fence about taking legal action. I did contact Mendelsons but I don't feel comfortable about giving them 36%+ on what they recover. I was told the maximum would be the investment only and they won't claim back any legal costs from Assetz hence why it's such a % large cut. Is it really worth it? Is it worth it ? With no win no fee you may be liable to pay fees. If you decide to abandon the claim after legal work has begun. Also you may be liable to pay fees if your refuse to cooperate "fully" as part of your claim. What does cooperate fully actually involve ? How much work and commitment will you have to provide and if you do not and can not would this be not cooperating fully ? If the no win no fee claim is unsuccessful Then woukd Assetz Capital would have the right to claim their court, legal representation, fees and costs from you or the NWNF company? You will be surprised what the answer is. This is not a recommendation just information Of course these are good questions to ask. They will also help make clear what the solicitors are offering to do. I certainly asked lots of questions in the case i mentioned. Looking at the FAQs on their website,they are not suggesting taking AC to any court or offer any representation in court or entering into any litigation. This is very common with these companies. All they are suggesting in the FAQs is making hopefully good representations to the FOS and perhaps FSCS just as any customer can do on their own without any 3rd party help. The FOS don't grant costs against someone complaining. Nor do the FSCS. The processes are meant to be free for anyone with or without representation. That is the whole point of the FOS and FSCS processes. You may find examples of solicitors that go via the courts, i can't personally see the point in this case in terms of costs etc. but also in terms of the way the FOS makes its judgements using a "reasonable" judgement. I have no idea if the suggested solicitors are any good, if it is worth pursuing rather than leave AC to just get on with it.
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Post by bob2010 on Jun 30, 2023 17:35:34 GMT
Is it worth it ? With no win no fee you may be liable to pay fees. If you decide to abandon the claim after legal work has begun. Also you may be liable to pay fees if your refuse to cooperate "fully" as part of your claim. What does cooperate fully actually involve ? How much work and commitment will you have to provide and if you do not and can not would this be not cooperating fully ? If the no win no fee claim is unsuccessful Then woukd Assetz Capital would have the right to claim their court, legal representation, fees and costs from you or the NWNF company? You will be surprised what the answer is. This is not a recommendation just information Of course these are good questions to ask. They will also help make clear what the solicitors are offering to do. I certainly asked lots of questions in the case i mentioned. Looking at the FAQs on their website,they are not suggesting taking AC to any court or offer any representation in court or entering into any litigation. This is very common with these companies. All they are suggesting in the FAQs is making hopefully good representations to the FOS and perhaps FSCS just as any customer can do on their own without any 3rd party help. The FOS don't grant costs against someone complaining. Nor do the FSCS. The processes are meant to be free for anyone with or without representation. That is the whole point of the FOS and FSCS processes. You may find examples of solicitors that go via the courts, i can't personally see the point in this case in terms of costs etc. but also in terms of the way the FOS makes its judgements using a "reasonable" judgement. I have no idea if the suggested solicitors are any good, if it is worth pursuing rather than leave AC to just get on with it. Is the FSCS even an option here as I thought they don't cover P2P lending?
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Post by jlend on Jun 30, 2023 18:16:53 GMT
Of course these are good questions to ask. They will also help make clear what the solicitors are offering to do. I certainly asked lots of questions in the case i mentioned. Looking at the FAQs on their website,they are not suggesting taking AC to any court or offer any representation in court or entering into any litigation. This is very common with these companies. All they are suggesting in the FAQs is making hopefully good representations to the FOS and perhaps FSCS just as any customer can do on their own without any 3rd party help. The FOS don't grant costs against someone complaining. Nor do the FSCS. The processes are meant to be free for anyone with or without representation. That is the whole point of the FOS and FSCS processes. You may find examples of solicitors that go via the courts, i can't personally see the point in this case in terms of costs etc. but also in terms of the way the FOS makes its judgements using a "reasonable" judgement. I have no idea if the suggested solicitors are any good, if it is worth pursuing rather than leave AC to just get on with it. Is the FSCS even an option here as I thought they don't cover P2P lending? Another good question. I was only quoting the FAQs. Of course the approach the solicitors take will vary case by case and a claim via the FSCS may be irrelevant. You are correct the FSCS doesn't apply directly to p2p investments. So i would be asking the solicitors about the FSCS and is there any relevance in this case. There may be none. I see it was mentioned in the very first post in this thread. In the case i quoted, mini bonds are not covered by the FSCS. But a 3rd party regulated company conducted a regulating activity in signing off some misleading promotional material. The FSCS paid out due to this. I only use this as an example. I am not saying it applies in this case.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jun 30, 2023 19:57:45 GMT
it all depends if Assetz retail has any assets, if not it is pointless to try to get any recompense from them, getting back as much as they can get back from borrowers to give back to you is the most you can hope for. If some lenders get in first by claiming compensation it will be other lenders who lose out, or Assetz retail will go bankrupt with predictable results. .
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Post by jlend on Jul 1, 2023 6:13:04 GMT
it all depends if Assetz retail has any assets, if not it is pointless to try to get any recompense from them, getting back as much as they can get back from borrowers to give back to you is the most you can hope for. If some lenders get in first by claiming compensation it will be other lenders who lose out, or Assetz retail will go bankrupt with predictable results. . It is a good point and a question i would pose to the solicitors if i were thinking about taking up their offer. What do they think about the risk and are there any mitigating actions they can take? This would give a good indication about how much thought they had given to their strategy overall. AC may have some insurance, depending on the scale and number of complaints they may be able to cover it, they may have already assumed some complaints, they may be willing to fund some complaints etc. I honestly don't know. I honestly don't know what the solicitors strategy is. In the mini bond case which was also unregulated, the route was to pursue a 3rd party who was regulated and carried out a regulated activity. This is just one example i am not saying it applies in this case. Hence a successful claim was first made via the FOS and then via the FSCS when the 3rd party was forced into administration. Ultimately the horse has already bolted, many people have already put in complaints with or without various levels of legal support. So the risk is already very real even before this thread started.
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Post by bob2010 on Mar 21, 2024 23:02:08 GMT
Has there been any progress with the legal action?
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Post by bob2010 on Mar 27, 2024 19:09:35 GMT
Just wondering, 9 months on, if you've had more luck going through the legal route, compared to those of us who went directly to the FOS and are still waiting for an Ombudsman ruling?
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Post by ashtondav on Mar 28, 2024 16:18:16 GMT
From everything I read even if successful lawyers take 90%, punters 10%. Not worth it. Correction. The St James Place lawyers are taking 50% (inc vat). Sorry not prepared to take that haircut.
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Post by crabbyoldgit on Apr 15, 2024 18:56:26 GMT
So the fos route now seems closed and fos do not think an unfair terms case can be upheld in a court of law. I am not involved in the legal route, to be honest had no belief in it,the legal company involved or it being the best action to obtain the largest return of funds for the majority of lenders.However people have the right to pursue there own interests in their own way, I respect that.Now we will see how serious the solicitors are in their confidence of a no win no fee action without the support of fos and fos reading of the legal position.
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Post by bob2010 on Apr 15, 2024 21:21:51 GMT
So the fos route now seems closed and fos do not think an unfair terms case can be upheld in a court of law. I am not involved in the legal route, to be honest had no belief in it,the legal company involved or it being the best action to obtain the largest return of funds for the majority of lenders.However people have the right to pursue there own interests in their own way, I respect that.Now we will see how serious the solicitors are in their confidence of a no win no fee action without the support of fos and fos reading of the legal position. The no win no fee solicitors were never offering to go down the court route
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