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Post by keitha on Aug 2, 2023 16:13:42 GMT
The Local Council purchased an old Victorian Chapel and has spent several £100,000 on developing it to be the site of the New Library plus a Community hub, Community Bank and credit union, This money is in addition to the £500,000 of EU funding to restore the exterior.
Now I hear that the Library can't move in as the weight of the books is too much for the floor.
For pitys sake why was this not looked at earlier.
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Post by mogish on Aug 2, 2023 16:27:26 GMT
Until council officers are held responsible for their actions when managing the public purse, nothing will change. I've said it before, from lack of control of contractors to excessive sick pay policy and everything in between, this is one of the reasons we have a poor and expensive service in most areas.
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Post by ozboy on Aug 2, 2023 17:06:36 GMT
Until council officers are held responsible for their actions when managing the public purse, nothing will change. I've said it before, from lack of control of contractors to excessive sick pay policy and everything in between, this is one of the reasons we have a poor and expensive service in most areas. Correct. There is NO responsibility, never is.
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Post by keitha on Aug 2, 2023 18:51:07 GMT
LOL a couple of examples the Council were building several new childrens centres, you would think several buildings for the same purpose would be the same design. No everyone was different, in some the children were relegated to one small area that was smaller than the managers office.
One I worked on the manager turned up on site 2 weeks after the contractors started and after the footings had been put in with a new design she'd agreed with the architect, and yes it was a different footprint so all that work was wasted. When we were looking to fit out I went down with a network installer and designed an appropriate setup, she tried to cut corners by asking for requotes with single points instead of doubles etc, She was told it would only save about £5 per point but she insisted a few months later when the building was in use she asked about getting the points turned to doubles and could not believe the quote was over £2,000 "but they were only £5 each !" yes but that was when they were running cables and now they are working above ceilings etc.
As the build progressed this one site was massively over budget and getting worse, She was summoned to a meeting with some senior managers, Finance people etc and representatives for the contractors etc. She was told in no uncertain terms that any further spend had to be agreed with the finance person in overall charge of the project, and that she had to follow the council procurement policies. As we came out of the meeting a member of staff gave her a document to sign and said "that's the order for they toys you wanted". She promptly signed it and handed it back. The Finance officer asked for the document took one look at it and ripped it up and said "we just told you no more spending and that was for £10,000 of specialist toys".
When I turned up to commission the network I could see a lot of flashing lights in the comms cabinet ( which should have been empty ) it turned out the Architect had told her she needed broadband and such and she had asked him to provide a router, switches etc, none of which were compatible with the main system without a lot of work, so I removed them, and reported up the line.
In over 30 years I only ever knew of one officer being held accountable, he was found to have accepted bribes from contractors to help them with contracts.
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Post by crabbyoldgit on Aug 3, 2023 18:15:53 GMT
The newish Dorset council having have raised the parking fee in Lyme Regis from about £4 to £12 a day at a car park in which a large proportion of punters park to beach comb an adjacent beach where a turn of the 20c rubbish dump is being washed out of the cliff face onto the beach and has been doing so for many years. Now in a genius move they are going to clean up the dump removing it's contents,spending a fortune for no reason at all to cut a visitor attractaction to the town and cut their own car park income by probably 50%. I weep. The same council now loses money in Weymouth harbour, well they used to collect harbour fees from a little 16ft , 10hp diesel inbourd boat. Now it's a new 8m rib with twin 90hp outboards , flashing blue lights, full electronics navigation suite. It probably never gets above engine idle speed and leaves the harbour rarely if at all.
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Post by michaelc on Aug 3, 2023 18:42:40 GMT
This applies to any large organisation - not just councils or public bodies. Large private companies also have huge waste but you don't hear about it because noone really cares outside the company concerned.
In my view the problem is most people care less about other people's money than their own and large organisations are very difficult to make efficient.
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Post by martin44 on Aug 3, 2023 19:23:37 GMT
This applies to any large organisation - not just councils or public bodies. Large private companies also have huge waste but you don't hear about it because noone really cares outside the company concerned. In my view the problem is most people care less about other people's money than their own and large organisations are very difficult to make efficient. When you are are spending other peoples money ...... who gives a F**k.?
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Post by martin44 on Aug 3, 2023 19:33:53 GMT
The newish Dorset council having have raised the parking fee in Lyme Regis from about £4 to £12 a day at a car park in which a large proportion of punters park to beach comb an adjacent beach where a turn of the 20c rubbish dump is being washed out of the cliff face onto the beach and has been doing so for many years. Now in a genius move they are going to clean up the dump removing it's contents,spending a fortune for no reason at all to cut a visitor attractaction to the town and cut their own car park income by probably 50%. I weep. The same council now loses money in Weymouth harbour, well they used to collect harbour fees from a little 16ft , 10hp diesel inbourd boat. Now it's a new 8m rib with twin 90hp outboards , flashing blue lights, full electronics navigation suite. It probably never gets above engine idle speed and leaves the harbour rarely if at all. where i live its 3£ an hour for on street parking from 8am to 6pm.. from 6pm to 8.30pm its then a flat rate of 2£ ... needless to say its dead during the day.
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Post by keitha on Aug 3, 2023 20:02:47 GMT
There's a lot wrong with stuff like that.
too many in businesses large and small see ridiculous things as important
At one time the company I worked for company took on a PM to do some of the admin on my projects, after just over a year she was senior PM with me and 2 admins below her. Things came to a head when a customer complained to me about the cost of a small office move, and how the price had gone up. when I saw the quote it totted up as 1/2 a day of my time to do the work and 4 and 1/2 days to do paper work
About 400 yards from where I live a member of NHS staff parks her lease car , which is subsidised by the NHS ( ie tax payers ) in 2020 her lease car didn't move after March as she worked from home. I know someone in the team that deal with leases that car went back after 3 years with < 5000 miles.
Where I used to live staff were told that they had to fill up at morrisons or TESCO when using the NHS fuel cards, it was then discovered the head of the team had recorded all the cards against his TESCO and Morrisons cards.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 3, 2023 20:16:38 GMT
There's a lot wrong with stuff like that. too many in businesses large and small see ridiculous things as important At one time the company I worked for company took on a PM to do some of the admin on my projects, after just over a year she was senior PM with me and 2 admins below her. Things came to a head when a customer complained to me about the cost of a small office move, and how the price had gone up. when I saw the quote it totted up as 1/2 a day of my time to do the work and 4 and 1/2 days to do paper work About 400 yards from where I live a member of NHS staff parks her lease car , which is subsidised by the NHS ( ie tax payers ) in 2020 her lease car didn't move after March as she worked from home. I know someone in the team that deal with leases that car went back after 3 years with < 5000 miles. Where I used to live staff were told that they had to fill up at morrisons or TESCO when using the NHS fuel cards, it was then discovered the head of the team had recorded all the cards against his TESCO and Morrisons cards.that of course should have been an immediate sackable offence: gross misconduct. But the public sector works by different rules from the private.
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Post by agent69 on Aug 3, 2023 20:34:46 GMT
that of course should have been an immediate sackable offence: gross misconduct. But the public sector works by different rules from the private. Unfortunately in a unionised work place gross misconduct isn't considered grounds for dismissal (at least not by the union).
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Post by mogish on Aug 3, 2023 21:32:36 GMT
that of course should have been an immediate sackable offence: gross misconduct. But the public sector works by different rules from the private. Unfortunately in a unionised work place gross misconduct isn't considered grounds for dismissal (at least not by the union). Evidence of employee supports, training, risk assessment and Sops must be provided or its seen as a failure obo of the organisation. Unions will jump on any potential failure of the dept to tick every box going before eventually negotiating an early retirement deal etc In my work we have had an individual of sick prior to a hearing for...... 2.5 years. For a sore knee. Full pay for 6m and half pay for 6m. Scale this up and you can see where your council tax money goes. This is even before the stupid projects costing thousands are decided!
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Post by keitha on Aug 3, 2023 22:01:20 GMT
I know of a Police Officer who was convicted of Kerb crawling, the next day he went sick with "stress", due to Police rules he couldn't be taken to disciplinary whilst off sick. Whilst sick he wan't paid flat rate he got the average of the previous 3 months pay each month so in effect he was paid overtime. After the 3 years he took retirement, and of course the package included nearly 6 months pay for leave he'd accrued whilst sick.
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Post by bernythedolt on Aug 4, 2023 16:18:45 GMT
[...] Where I used to live staff were told that they had to fill up at morrisons or TESCO when using the NHS fuel cards, it was then discovered the head of the team had recorded all the cards against his TESCO and Morrisons cards. that of course should have been an immediate sackable offence: gross misconduct. But the public sector works by different rules from the private. I agree the first point, but not entirely convinced by the second. Joining up fifty years ago, the CS left me in no doubt that nothing but the highest standards of probity, honesty and integrity were expected and that's exactly what I found in my colleagues. No doubt standards did fall over the years, but I suspect the public sector still doesn't tolerate gross misconduct, by and large. A few years ago, a colleague responsible for our telephony system (so armed with the access override codes) was found to be abusing his privileged position and calling home to the sub-continent, running up large bills courtesy of the taxpayer. After one warning, he was silly enough to do it again and was escorted from the building and sacked.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 4, 2023 17:06:45 GMT
that of course should have been an immediate sackable offence: gross misconduct. But the public sector works by different rules from the private. I agree the first point, but not entirely convinced by the second. Joining up fifty years ago, the CS left me in no doubt that nothing but the highest standards of probity, honesty and integrity were expected and that's exactly what I found in my colleagues. No doubt standards did fall over the years, but I suspect the public sector still doesn't tolerate gross misconduct, by and large. A few years ago, a colleague responsible for our telephony system (so armed with the access override codes) was found to be abusing his privileged position and calling home to the sub-continent, running up large bills courtesy of the taxpayer. After one warning, he was silly enough to do it again and was escorted from the building and sacked. In this case, by Public Sector I was intending to refer to council/NHS and similar, rather than the Civil Service.
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