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Post by adrianc on Sept 30, 2023 13:31:37 GMT
Gawd, this country really couldn't organise a drinks reception in a brewery, could it? I think you mean this Civil Service we are dependant on to consume our taxes couldn't.................. The civil service simply delivers what their political masters (the government) tell them to deliver. But it's not just the public sector - the airport is privately run, bus services are privately run.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 30, 2023 19:11:01 GMT
I think you mean this Civil Service we are dependant on to consume our taxes couldn't.................. The civil service simply delivers what their political masters (the government) tell them to deliver.But it's not just the public sector - the airport is privately run, bus services are privately run. You've obviously never watched 'yes minister'
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Post by keitha on Oct 2, 2023 9:49:45 GMT
The civil service simply delivers what their political masters (the government) tell them to deliver.But it's not just the public sector - the airport is privately run, bus services are privately run. You've obviously never watched 'yes minister' In my experience it happens even at local Government level that the paid staff act contrary to the wishes of the elected members and the electorate. Just a few examples we had a recruitment freeze, HR blocked all Departments except themselves from recruiting staff We had a streamlining exercise to reduce the number of levels and number of managers, both HR and Social services ended up with more managers. I was part of a team looking at processes and removing unnecessary steps, We asked Departments to identify some processes and how many steps it took ( eg from receipt of an invoice to the supplier being paid) one department responded by saying all the processes had the minimum number of steps needed. when we investigated the processes in that department were very cumbersome and designed to give the head of department control of the whole process. The manager had designed the processes. We rolled out new processes across the authority with the approval of Senior Managers and councillors, but within weeks we were getting reports of issues, it turned of that staff whose role was was abolished or who now had a significantly reduced workload had inserted new steps into the streamlined process to give themselves a role. Another we found was that every Monday road repair etc teams were very unproductive, it turned out the team leaders and foremen were collecting the previous weeks timesheets then driving to the Council HQ to hand them into payroll whilst they were doing that the teams didn't have a vehicle to get to site. We changed it for them to go to the local office and have them faxed to payroll, then the originals were posted in. This caused an issue as someone in payroll decided faxed or emailed documents were not acceptable as they didn't have a "wet ink" signature, just an image of a signature.
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Post by michaelc on Oct 2, 2023 13:52:28 GMT
You've obviously never watched 'yes minister' In my experience it happens even at local Government level that the paid staff act contrary to the wishes of the elected members and the electorate. Planning is another area. In my LA, officers are typically much more keen to approve vast house building projects than councillors are. I also get the feeling at times that the councillors aren't really part of any council process. They have the power to the force the executive to make decisions but I think it very rarely gets wielded. They're just happy to collect the "expenses" (which I think if a fixed allowance), answer the odd question, support the odd constituent and utter a few words at committee level. They could make root and branch reforms but they haven't the balls.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 2, 2023 17:22:19 GMT
Planning is another area. In my LA, officers are typically much more keen to approve vast house building projects than councillors are. Yeh, that's the way it works. Almost all planning decisions are in the hands of officers. It's only contentious stuff that goes to the planning committee. Individual councillors get no more say than anybody else. The "executive" (your council has a cabinet?) makes some decisions, but a lot is voted by full council - which is the role of councillors... Their other job is simply lobbying. Basically, think of councillors as the local equivalent of MPs, with the cabinet members being ministers.
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Post by michaelc on Oct 2, 2023 17:26:35 GMT
Planning is another area. In my LA, officers are typically much more keen to approve vast house building projects than councillors are. Yeh, that's the way it works. Almost all planning decisions are in the hands of officers. It's only contentious stuff that goes to the planning committee. Individual councillors get no more say than anybody else. The "executive" (your council has a cabinet?) makes some decisions, but a lot is voted by full council - which is the role of councillors... Their other job is simply lobbying. Basically, think of councillors as the local equivalent of MPs, with the cabinet members being ministers.Yes but when a new set of councillors take over, they don't typically put in a new "government/executive".
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Post by adrianc on Oct 2, 2023 17:37:36 GMT
Yeh, that's the way it works. Almost all planning decisions are in the hands of officers. It's only contentious stuff that goes to the planning committee. Individual councillors get no more say than anybody else. The "executive" (your council has a cabinet?) makes some decisions, but a lot is voted by full council - which is the role of councillors... Their other job is simply lobbying. Basically, think of councillors as the local equivalent of MPs, with the cabinet members being ministers.Yes but when a new set of councillors take over, they don't typically put in a new "government/executive". Umm, yes, the party in control of the council appoint the cabinet. Our county council went from Indie control to Tory-led NOC at the last election - all the cabinet members changed.
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Post by keitha on Oct 2, 2023 18:28:54 GMT
Yes but when a new set of councillors take over, they don't typically put in a new "government/executive". Umm, yes, the party in control of the council appoint the cabinet. Our county council went from Indie control to Tory-led NOC at the last election - all the cabinet members changed. Ours went indy to labour one cabinet member remained by the simple process of saying that he'd considered his position and was more aligned with Labour than independent so switched sides
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Post by JamesFrance on Oct 23, 2023 14:25:00 GMT
More shambolic HS2 management, I wonder if anyone involved concentrated on the actual project rather than empire building.
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Post by moonraker on Oct 23, 2023 14:41:30 GMT
Based on a double-page article in yesterday's Sunday Times that made damning reading and would have upset various HS2 executives, past and present.
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Post by captainconfident on Oct 23, 2023 16:30:41 GMT
I've not been following the HS2 debacle closely, but who on earth did the initial costings? A RICS registered official, no doubt. I remember a Smith and Jones sketch about tenders to build the channel tunnel. Smith is the official behind the desk and Jones is in a stained string vest smoking a roll-up. Smith drops on the desk the huge folders submitted by Costain, Bovis and whatever, and then a scrap of paper from Jones. "£30 000 including damp course".
What annoys me most intensely is that the non-stage of HS2 from Old Oak Common to Euston caused the compulsory purchase and demolition of The Bree Louise, my favourite North London pub. I never got over it.
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