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Post by agent69 on Jan 13, 2024 10:13:56 GMT
They say it never rains but it pours.
More bad news for the Post Office. It appears that where they have been forced to make payments to victims of the Horizon scandal, the payments were deducted from profits. Claiming tax relief in this way could count as a breach of the law
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Post by overthehill on Jan 13, 2024 10:51:14 GMT
They say it never rains but it pours.
More bad news for the Post Office. It appears that where they have been forced to make payments to victims of the Horizon scandal, the payments were deducted from profits. Claiming tax relief in this way could count as a breach of the law
All their lawyers and accountants were otherwise occupied prosecuting postmasters to spend any time on tax matters.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 13, 2024 17:24:19 GMT
So I'm watching Mr Bates vs The Post Office. It's available on ITV Online. It's astonishingly good. It's also upsetting, and will make you very, very angry. I thoroughly recommend it. Lib Dem leader Sir Ed Davey is facing further pressure over his handling of the Post Office IT scandal when he was postal affairs minister in the coalition government. In May 2010, the Liberal Democrat leader refused to meet Alan Bates, the sub-postmaster who led the campaign to expose the scandal, saying he did not believe it "would serve any purpose".
Some further details on Odious Ed from everyones favourite tabloid.
Having been Post Office minister between 2010 and 2012, Davey lost his seat in the Lib Dem rout at the 2015 general election. He then went to join his brother working for one of the big London legal firms called Herbert Smith Freehills. At the time HSF were employed by (drum roll please) the post office to aggressively fight the litigation brought by hundreds of sub-postmasters.
While Davey was not directly involved in the PO action, it does appear as a bit of a coincidence. After winning back his seat in 2017, Davey pocketed £275,000 from HSF in addition to his parliamentary salary, before quitting in January 2022 after criticism of MPs having second jobs.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 13, 2024 17:31:18 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Jan 13, 2024 17:52:02 GMT
Sir Tony Blair was warned the Horizon IT system at the centre of the Post Office scandal could be flawed before it was rolled out, a document shows. But he said he gave it the go-ahead after being reassured by others. Among them was Peter Mandelson, who was then his trade and industry secretary.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 13, 2024 18:05:57 GMT
I've not read those links. However we should perhaps bear in mind that it seems pretty clear that both Fujitsu and the Post Office are seemingly coming out of this as consummate liars, arse coverers, and utterly incapable of recognising ethical behaviour.
Given that, we may want to be a bit cautious about overly criticising the behaviour of e.g. politicians that would have heavily relied on what they were being told. Especially in the early days before their was a mass of cases which of itself should have raised suspicions about what was going on.
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Post by registerme on Jan 15, 2024 8:58:56 GMT
Hislop going ham on the Post Office, Fujitsu, and the Government.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 15, 2024 11:27:12 GMT
Hislop going ham on the Post Office, Fujitsu, and the Government. I like Hislop, but it would help if he got his facts straight.
He claims that everone in charge of the post office after Ed Davey was Conservative, whereas the next 3 in charge were all Lib Dems
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Post by adrianc on Jan 15, 2024 11:30:12 GMT
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 15, 2024 12:16:46 GMT
Hislop going ham on the Post Office, Fujitsu, and the Government. I like Hislop, but it would help if he got his facts straight.
He claims that everone in charge of the post office after Ed Davey was Conservative, whereas the next 3 in charge were all Lib Dems
And the wrong PM, May gave the CBE to Vennells not Cameron
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Post by agent69 on Jan 15, 2024 13:22:19 GMT
Hislop going ham on the Post Office, Fujitsu, and the Government. I like Hislop, but it would help if he got his facts straight.
He claims that everone in charge of the post office after Ed Davey was Conservative, whereas the next 3 in charge were all Lib Dems
Minor correction. The next 4 were Lib Dems (Swinson had the job twice).
So 5 people in the job over the course of a 5 year parliment. Did they all jump ship when they saw what was going on?
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Post by adrianc on Jan 15, 2024 13:32:59 GMT
So 5 people in the job over the course of a 5 year parliment. Did they all jump ship when they saw what was going on? That's fairly typical for ministerial tenure...
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 15, 2024 13:46:23 GMT
'Anyone who's been involved in government in any way over the last 20 years has got to be extremely sorry for what happened.' Cameron
Not me says Ed. Regrets, I have a few but sorry is the hardest word
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Post by michaelc on Jan 15, 2024 13:50:52 GMT
Let me guess - a libdem parish councillor ?
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Post by SteveK on Jan 15, 2024 18:01:37 GMT
I'm obviously very stupid because I can't understand why the Post Office/Fujitsu didn't send people to a post office, that was experiencing problems, to catalog manually what transactions were going through the post office that day/week/month and tally this with the Horizon system.
If the Post Office/Fujitsu didn't do this, because it was too difficult to accomplish, then that explains why the system was  !!
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