michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Dec 27, 2023 17:15:53 GMT
Are they more mad than the Israeli gun laws which probably save more people than they harm ?
I have zero truck with what Israel is doing in Gaza and I hope they end up punished for it but having visited Israel a couple of dozen times and met with lots of colleages who showed me around on many occasions and showed me their fancy guns (very fancy in the case of the right wingers I met), there is virtually zero threat of criminal activity from them. If a robber or terrorist burst in to a restaruant and started pointing his gun he'd be off to meet his maker in double time.
US is a different kettle of fish as we've heard, but the difference between the two countries (one very safe from violent crime the other dangerous) has little to do with their gun laws.
So yes I'd certainly like to have one. First to put me and any intruder on a level playing field without needing me to be built like a brick sh*thouse. Second I'd like to look in more detail at what hundreds of years of precision technology has achieved in that domain - to look, to hold, to operate such an instrument.
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 27, 2023 17:29:36 GMT
Are they more mad than the Israeli gun laws which probably save more people than they harm ? I have zero truck with what Israel is doing in Gaza and I hope they end up punished for it but having visited Israel a couple of dozen times and met with lots of colleages who showed me around on many occasions and showed me their fancy guns (very fancy in the case of the right wingers I met), there is virtually zero threat of criminal activity from them. If a robber or terrorist burst in to a restaruant and started pointing his gun he'd be off to meet his maker in double time. US is a different kettle of fish as we've heard, but the difference between the two countries (one very safe from violent crime the other dangerous) has little to do with their gun laws. So yes I'd certainly like to have one. First to put me and any intruder on a level playing field without needing me to be built like a brick sh*thouse. Second I'd like to look in more detail at what hundreds of years of precision technology has achieved in that domain - to look, to hold, to operate such an instrument.if you are genuinely interested in guns, then join a gun club and apply for a firearms license. Gun ownership is not banned in the UK.
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 27, 2023 18:01:38 GMT
Are they more mad than the Israeli gun laws which probably save more people than they harm ? I have zero truck with what Israel is doing in Gaza and I hope they end up punished for it but having visited Israel a couple of dozen times and met with lots of colleages who showed me around on many occasions and showed me their fancy guns (very fancy in the case of the right wingers I met), there is virtually zero threat of criminal activity from them. If a robber or terrorist burst in to a restaruant and started pointing his gun he'd be off to meet his maker in double time. US is a different kettle of fish as we've heard, but the difference between the two countries (one very safe from violent crime the other dangerous) has little to do with their gun laws.So yes I'd certainly like to have one. First to put me and any intruder on a level playing field without needing me to be built like a brick sh*thouse. Second I'd like to look in more detail at what hundreds of years of precision technology has achieved in that domain - to look, to hold, to operate such an instrument. Why that conclusion ? Israeli gun laws are considerably stricter than the vast majority, if not all, of the US states. "Gun control in Israel is relatively strict, and firearm licenses are generally only granted to those who can show a need for extra security in their line of work or daily life. Meaning, one of the key criteria for a private citizen to receive permission to own a gun is where they live." Source: the times of Israel (however I've seen the same point re. 'how strict are Israeli guns laws' many times over the last couple of months).
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Post by travolta on Dec 27, 2023 18:13:43 GMT
I have a shotgun and rifle,both licenced .
Oh, deer.
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michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Dec 27, 2023 18:41:28 GMT
Are they more mad than the Israeli gun laws which probably save more people than they harm ? I have zero truck with what Israel is doing in Gaza and I hope they end up punished for it but having visited Israel a couple of dozen times and met with lots of colleages who showed me around on many occasions and showed me their fancy guns (very fancy in the case of the right wingers I met), there is virtually zero threat of criminal activity from them. If a robber or terrorist burst in to a restaruant and started pointing his gun he'd be off to meet his maker in double time. US is a different kettle of fish as we've heard, but the difference between the two countries (one very safe from violent crime the other dangerous) has little to do with their gun laws.So yes I'd certainly like to have one. First to put me and any intruder on a level playing field without needing me to be built like a brick sh*thouse. Second I'd like to look in more detail at what hundreds of years of precision technology has achieved in that domain - to look, to hold, to operate such an instrument. Why that conclusion ? Israeli gun laws are considerably stricter than the vast majority, if not all, of the US states. "Gun control in Israel is relatively strict, and firearm licenses are generally only granted to those who can show a need for extra security in their line of work or daily life. Meaning, one of the key criteria for a private citizen to receive permission to own a gun is where they live." Source: the times of Israel (however I've seen the same point re. 'how strict are Israeli guns laws' many times over the last couple of months). When I once pointed out to you that you often reply to almost all my posts it wasn't an invitation to reply twice to the same post  You can read from whatever source you like. The reality as I mentioned is that most people have guns and indeed carry them around. Those in the settlements can have whatever they like. Often on display (certainly at work folk would gave Glock pistols casually tucked into their back pocket/holster/Idon'tknow visible while they were drawing diagrams on the whiteboard). In cafes you'd often get army folk arrive and dump their huge rifles on the floor behind their chairs when they ordered food. Nobody would bat an eyelid. Don't know what the rules were for civilians in genuine public spaces (i.e. not places of work) but as I say I think most of them were reservists anyhow. The sum total of all that is whatever you have read would appear to have zero bearing on what actually happens in practice.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 27, 2023 18:58:39 GMT
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Post by mostlywrong on Dec 27, 2023 21:29:04 GMT
I have a shotgun and rifle,both licenced . Oh, deer. There is a Muntjac munching my roses first thing in the morning.
Can I book a contract?
MW
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Post by bernythedolt on Dec 28, 2023 3:27:33 GMT
Are they more mad than the Israeli gun laws which probably save more people than they harm ? I have zero truck with what Israel is doing in Gaza and I hope they end up punished for it but having visited Israel a couple of dozen times and met with lots of colleages who showed me around on many occasions and showed me their fancy guns (very fancy in the case of the right wingers I met), there is virtually zero threat of criminal activity from them. If a robber or terrorist burst in to a restaruant and started pointing his gun he'd be off to meet his maker in double time. US is a different kettle of fish as we've heard, but the difference between the two countries (one very safe from violent crime the other dangerous) has little to do with their gun laws. So yes I'd certainly like to have one. First to put me and any intruder on a level playing field without needing me to be built like a brick sh*thouse. Second I'd like to look in more detail at what hundreds of years of precision technology has achieved in that domain - to look, to hold, to operate such an instrument.if you are genuinely interested in guns, then join a gun club and apply for a firearms license. Gun ownership is not banned in the UK. Seconded. Firearms licence for a rifle, or shotgun certificate for a shotgun. Handguns are banned, of course (and I suspect michaelc may have been referring to those?). I own three shotguns and in my time have thoroughly enjoyed skeet, sporting, but predominantly trap shooting (over the hill now, but at my peak I was county champion several years and achieved three England caps). Competing in an England Team vest was one of the greatest honours of my life - an experience never to be forgotten. If you get the chance, do give clay pigeon shooting a try!
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Post by agent69 on Dec 28, 2023 4:17:10 GMT
if someone breaks into your house, they are 100% going to have a gun. The problem with gun ownership in US is that it is a self perpetuating downward spiral.
I worked a lifetime in the construction industry and have completed more risk assessments that you can shake a stick at. There is a hierarchy of measures that you take when carrying out the assessment and top of the list is remove the risk. Last on the list is allow the risk to occur and try and manage it. So if you are worried about an armed criminal breaking into your house, the answer is to tighten gun control laws so the intruder doesn't get a gun (as in UK).
Regarding your paranoid neighbour who is worried about living out of town, did you point out that you are far more likely to be shot while 'out and about in town' than in your own house. Also, does your neighbour own a car and is he worried about getting killed in a car crash.
In reality there are lots of risks in life, but the important thing is to assess the risk to see how likely it is to happen. No point worrying about something that is never goint to happen.
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Post by agent69 on Dec 28, 2023 4:18:19 GMT
I have a shotgun and rifle,both licenced . Oh, deer. Any chance you could PM me your address so I don't try to break into your house.
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Post by crabbyoldgit on Dec 28, 2023 5:31:33 GMT
It is a very long time since I was in Iserial , however my memory is that nearly all young people did national service and they carried their weapon 24 /7 for the first year. I saw groups come to the beach , pile up automatic weapons and go for a swim leaving one to guard them. However if the weapon was discharged without orders even by accident it was a custodial offence. The difference between Iserial and the US I would suggest is the training and discipline forced into the vast majority of gun owners to understand that the weapon is a tool, not an extension to their sexual virility. US gun freaks scare the **** out of me.
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Post by Ace on Dec 28, 2023 7:59:53 GMT
if you are genuinely interested in guns, then join a gun club and apply for a firearms license. Gun ownership is not banned in the UK. Seconded. Firearms licence for a rifle, or shotgun certificate for a shotgun. Handguns are banned, of course (and I suspect michaelc may have been referring to those?). I own three shotguns and in my time have thoroughly enjoyed skeet, sporting, but predominantly trap shooting (over the hill now, but at my peak I was county champion several years and achieved three England caps). Competing in an England Team vest was one of the greatest honours of my life - an experience never to be forgotten. If you get the chance, do give clay pigeon shooting a try! Ah, your forum name, presumably a play on Berny The Bolt from the Golden Shot, suddenly makes perfect sense. We'll done you.
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 28, 2023 8:57:33 GMT
Why that conclusion ? Israeli gun laws are considerably stricter than the vast majority, if not all, of the US states. "Gun control in Israel is relatively strict, and firearm licenses are generally only granted to those who can show a need for extra security in their line of work or daily life. Meaning, one of the key criteria for a private citizen to receive permission to own a gun is where they live." Source: the times of Israel (however I've seen the same point re. 'how strict are Israeli guns laws' many times over the last couple of months). When I once pointed out to you that you often reply to almost all my posts it wasn't an invitation to reply twice to the same post You can read from whatever source you like. The reality as I mentioned is that most people have guns and indeed carry them around. Those in the settlements can have whatever they like. Often on display (certainly at work folk would gave Glock pistols casually tucked into their back pocket/holster/I don't know visible while they were drawing diagrams on the whiteboard). In cafes you'd often get army folk arrive and dump their huge rifles on the floor behind their chairs when they ordered food. Nobody would bat an eyelid. Don't know what the rules were for civilians in genuine public spaces (i.e. not places of work) but as I say I think most of them were reservists anyhow. The sum total of all that is whatever you have read would appear to have zero bearing on what actually happens in practice.Private gun ownership per 100 head of population: US : 120.5 (1st) Israel: 6.7 (108th) This data is admittedly 2017, and there was a relaxing of gun laws in 2018 (no doubt under pressure from the right wing parties that inevitably prop up Bibi). I think we can all agree it will have grown - and even more so since October this year - but not by approx. x20 Yes licensing in places like settlements is pretty relaxed: see the bit I quoted about '...where you live...' being a major criteria for license grant. But a settlement in the West Bank* is not Tel Aviv. Also, if you are licensed to own a private firearm, then you are able to 'open carry'. Which is not true in many American states. Also if you are a member of the armed services, you are permitted to carry your service firearm when off duty. All of which will mean that, particularly in certain places, the perception of the comparative level of national private gun ownership is likely to be considerably higher than the actuality. That is different to drawing an equivalence between the firearms laws, (which is what I believe was being discussed). *One might reasonably make the case that the prevalence of firearms amongst Israeli settlers in the West Bank is a contributing factor to the violence meted out to Palestinians by civilians in the settlements.
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 28, 2023 9:09:43 GMT
if you are genuinely interested in guns, then join a gun club and apply for a firearms license. Gun ownership is not banned in the UK. Seconded. Firearms licence for a rifle, or shotgun certificate for a shotgun. Handguns are banned, of course (and I suspect michaelc may have been referring to those?). I own three shotguns and in my time have thoroughly enjoyed skeet, sporting, but predominantly trap shooting (over the hill now, but at my peak I was county champion several years and achieved three England caps). Competing in an England Team vest was one of the greatest honours of my life - an experience never to be forgotten. If you get the chance, do give clay pigeon shooting a try! I've enjoyed clay pigeon shooting on the occasions I have done it as an adult, and was actually fairly reasonable at it. I enjoyed rifle shooting when in the cadets, and also had the opportunity on a number of occasions get range time with a collection of handguns which a friend of mine at University was licenced for. I've occasionally felt the urge to go and join a club, maybe Bisley, but am not sufficiently motivated given other things I do.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 28, 2023 9:24:02 GMT
If I was so inclined to shoot things, it'd be things I could eat - or to stop them eating my things. PLENTY of squirrels here (despite psychobrowncat's best efforts - she's got through roughly one every other day of late).
Shooting at plates thrown into the air? That's only a small step up from golf imho.
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