michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Jul 28, 2024 17:19:35 GMT
So the BBC propaganda division decided to run this anti-russia story today. Why don't they also attack the dozens of other countries that have strict laws on gay and trans rights? There are places far more strict than Russia where as I recall being gay is still legal (though frowned upon by most of society as it is in Ukraine). What is not allowed is portraying it as normal to under age kids. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cl7yk2l925xo1. They don't attack, they report. Including op-ed style pieces. 2. With that clarification, the answer is: 'they do'. I've read them. Frequently. Over many years. 3. The existence of one article with a focus on one particular country (or person or place etc) is not evidence of the absence of other articles on other countries/people/places. Perhaps it's just possible that the joyful apparent co-joining of two of your personally favourite subject matters - the BBC being a biased, ultra liberal organ of the state*, and LGBT rights - has clouded your objective judgement ? Just one hypothesis to try and explain factual and logical oversights in the post. Others are available. *even when the state is being run by anything other than ultra liberal government of the day. Where's your handbag ? 
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Post by adrianc on Jul 29, 2024 7:55:27 GMT
So the BBC propaganda division decided to run this anti-russia story today. Why don't they also attack the dozens of other countries that have strict laws on gay and trans rights? There are places far more strict than Russia where as I recall being gay is still legal (though frowned upon by most of society as it is in Ukraine). What is not allowed is portraying it as normal to under age kids. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cl7yk2l925xoTwo clicks from that article... www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67565509Sounds a lot like "Section 28" but turned way up. (BTW, being gay *is* normal)
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Post by michaelc on Jul 29, 2024 12:42:21 GMT
So the BBC propaganda division decided to run this anti-russia story today. Why don't they also attack the dozens of other countries that have strict laws on gay and trans rights? There are places far more strict than Russia where as I recall being gay is still legal (though frowned upon by most of society as it is in Ukraine). What is not allowed is portraying it as normal to under age kids. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cl7yk2l925xoTwo clicks from that article... www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67565509Sounds a lot like "Section 28" but turned way up. (BTW, being gay *is* normal)Show me the Normal distribution of people's sexuality and you will find gay and trans people way off to the sides along with other sexual deviations.
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Post by registerme on Jul 29, 2024 13:53:18 GMT
Standard deviation != sexual deviation
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Post by michaelc on Jul 29, 2024 14:30:07 GMT
Standard deviation != sexual deviation Not far off ....
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Post by agent69 on Jul 29, 2024 15:45:16 GMT
Former BBC presenter Huw Edwards has been charged with making indecent images of children, the Metropolitan Police has said. It comes less than a week after it was revealed that Edwards received a £40,000 pay rise from the BBC in the last year, despite being suspended for most of that time.
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Post by mostlywrong on Jul 29, 2024 17:18:30 GMT
Standard deviation != sexual deviation It would be an interesting exercise, for those who might be so inclined, to define those deviations.
For example, 3 standard deviations could be where the Bishop is caught in flagrante with 2 llamas in the library reading a book on animal husbandry.
Or, to keep my post topical, someone else is caught with a whip and a pair of jodhpurs.
Perfectly acceptable behaviour to some, but...
MW
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Post by keitha on Jul 29, 2024 17:24:18 GMT
I was chasing a sheep today, only because the stupid thing was wandering down an A road.
Can I point out that if being gay is normal the human race would die out.
in my view around 90% of people are straight, it amuses me when I see "Gays for Gaza" etc Hamas has a pretty clear view on being gay and the outcome of being found guilty isn't nice
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 29, 2024 21:09:02 GMT
Show me the Normal distribution of people's sexuality and you will find gay and trans people way off to the sides along with other sexual deviations. Whilst I understand what you mean and what you're suggesting here, strictly speaking a person's sexuality is a fixed discrete variable, not a continuous random variable, so it cannot be modelled by the Normal distribution, like say a person's height or weight, which are continuous variables. A person's height or weight can take any finite value anywhere along the real continuous line. A person's sexuality cannot, it's discrete data, it's categorical and cannot be broken into smaller parts. The Normal distribution is an excellent model for height or weight, but pretty useless and inappropriate for discrete data. You could present a bar chart/histogram (for example) of the numbers of people who fit into each discrete category (straight, gay, bi, etc, etc) and there are various non-parametric stats tests you can apply to such data, but the Normal distribution (and the stats that flow from it) is not one. So there's no concept of whether a person falls within 2 or 3 standard deviations of the distribution's mean value, for example, as has been suggested elsewhere. Heights yes, a random person will fall with x standard deviations of the population's mean height, but (in general) we can't apply that logic to categorised data. (There are a few exceptions like exam marks, with a discrete distribution which closely mimics a normal distribution, but that isn't the case here). In a mathematical sense, I would argue, like you and keitha , that being gay or trans (with a prevalence far below <10% of the population) is certainly not normal. In a philosophical/ethical sense, the question is far more nuanced and I'm not qualified to comment further!
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Post by adrianc on Jul 29, 2024 21:24:03 GMT
In a mathematical sense, I would argue, like you and keitha , that being gay or trans (with a prevalence far below <10% of the population) is certainly not normal. I'd argue that we don't actually know the true proportion of the population, because societal pressures have historically lead to suppression. That's why the proportion is apparently constantly increasing. It's not - people just feel less scared about admitting it.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 29, 2024 22:09:09 GMT
In a mathematical sense, I would argue, like you and keitha , that being gay or trans (with a prevalence far below <10% of the population) is certainly not normal. I'd argue that we don't actually know the true proportion of the population, because societal pressures have historically lead to suppression. That's why the proportion is apparently constantly increasing. It's not - people just feel less scared about admitting it. Accepted, although we do have some empirical knowledge from observing how others around us live and behave in our much freer society nowadays. That, coupled with the 2021 England & Wales census putting LGB+ at just 3.2%, it felt fairly safe to go with keitha's figure of <10%. NB: Having a nephew who's gay, whom I love every bit as much as I did before he 'came out' and every bit as much as my other nieces and nephews, I have no axe to grind here!
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 29, 2024 23:05:17 GMT
I was chasing a sheep today, only because the stupid thing was wandering down an A road. A likely story... we've heard all about you boys up there in the Valleys...
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Post by keitha on Jul 30, 2024 9:13:15 GMT
I was chasing a sheep today, only because the stupid thing was wandering down an A road. A likely story... we've heard all about you boys up there in the Valleys... perfectly normal me, it was a female sheep 
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Post by adrianc on Jul 30, 2024 10:47:43 GMT
I'd argue that we don't actually know the true proportion of the population, because societal pressures have historically lead to suppression. That's why the proportion is apparently constantly increasing. It's not - people just feel less scared about admitting it. Accepted, although we do have some empirical knowledge from observing how others around us live and behave in our much freer society nowadays. That, coupled with the 2021 England & Wales census putting LGB+ at just 3.2%, it felt fairly safe to go with keitha 's figure of <10%. NB: Having a nephew who's gay, whom I love every bit as much as I did before he 'came out' and every bit as much as my other nieces and nephews, I have no axe to grind here! If there's one thing the last few threads prove, it's that there is still very much an attitude of discrimination in the UK. Another 7.5% didn't answer that voluntary question on the census. Other, less official surveys, put the figure at 9% across 30 developed countries, up to 18% amongst younger respondents. www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2023-05/Ipsos%20LGBT%2B%20Pride%202023%20Global%20Survey%20Report%20-%20rev.pdfBut that's getting away rather from my point. For a certain - yes, minority - proportion of the population, it is perfectly normal and inherent.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 30, 2024 11:28:14 GMT
Accepted, although we do have some empirical knowledge from observing how others around us live and behave in our much freer society nowadays. That, coupled with the 2021 England & Wales census putting LGB+ at just 3.2%, it felt fairly safe to go with keitha 's figure of <10%. NB: Having a nephew who's gay, whom I love every bit as much as I did before he 'came out' and every bit as much as my other nieces and nephews, I have no axe to grind here! If there's one thing the last few threads prove, it's that there is still very much an attitude of discrimination in the UK. Another 7.5% didn't answer that voluntary question on the census. Other, less official surveys, put the figure at 9% across 30 developed countries, up to 18% amongst younger respondents. www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2023-05/Ipsos%20LGBT%2B%20Pride%202023%20Global%20Survey%20Report%20-%20rev.pdfBut that's getting away rather from my point. For a certain - yes, minority - proportion of the population, it is perfectly normal and inherent. So, sticking with the official survey for now, 7.5% didn't answer the voluntary question. It's extremely unlikely they were all LGB, so it's safe to assume the overall figure for LGB is somewhat less - and likely significantly less - than 10% in England & Wales.
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