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Post by rscal on Mar 11, 2024 12:13:24 GMT
Just spotted the amount of loan at £71k in loan information is different to the Lending Case figure (£455k) Is there an innocent explanation (such as a typo) for this?
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Post by scooter on Mar 11, 2024 13:22:30 GMT
Just spotted the amount of loan at £71k in loan information is different to the Lending Case figure (£455k) Is there an innocent explanation (such as a typo) for this? The 4 is very near the 7 on a keyboard.... I have seen this before, perhaps needless to say I didn't get an answer. The updates are showing on auto invest so i guess the rest went through there and just £71k in select. I used to work for a company that had a staff sales facility, every time we missed a "pay by" date we had a black mark put on our Experian credit rating. I say this because no one seems to care about paying these loans on time anymore. Kuflink won't notify Experian because this guy will never get a cheap remortgage deal then. The loan is "performing". I don't get it. You miss the deadline, you are in default! In this case, you miss the deadline, Kuflink get default interest, but it is not a default. Simples!
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Post by Ace on Mar 11, 2024 13:48:46 GMT
Just spotted the amount of loan at £71k in loan information is different to the Lending Case figure (£455k) Is there an innocent explanation (such as a typo) for this? The £71,517.49 is the value of the self-select portion of the loan. £383,482.51 is the value of the autoinvest chunk. £455k is the total loan. All fairly standard practice on K.
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Post by jnm21 on Mar 12, 2024 9:20:18 GMT
Do they pro rata the other values? Security value for instance?
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Post by Ace on Mar 12, 2024 9:46:55 GMT
Do they pro rata the other values? Security value for instance? I'm not sure that I fully understand the question but... They calculate the LTV against the Full loan (£455k) and the full security value. It's quoted as a percentage, so you could look at that as being pro-rata.
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Post by scooter on Mar 12, 2024 12:11:46 GMT
Hi, the story on this one probably lies in why he needed the loan from Kuflink in the first place. I can't really come up with a scenario whereby i buy a property for long term letting and get a 12 month loan from company like Kuflink (no disrespect meant on this occasion) with a view to refinancing in 12 months. If he bought it at auction maybe you have to use this sort of loan, but why 12 months, why not 6? He has a tenant. He has not applied for planning. Nothing has added value in 12 months. Anyone got any clues as to why people do this?
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Post by jnm21 on Mar 13, 2024 3:16:38 GMT
Ace I was wondering if there is any misinformation created e.g. part loan amount given along with full property value? So I think I am lending 100K against 220K when it is really £150K total against £220K (a very different ball game). Maybe I am too cynical!
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Post by jnm21 on Mar 13, 2024 3:19:22 GMT
scooter not 100% sure I follow, but 1 profitable scenario would be if you were up to no good, perhaps didn't really own the property & planned to scarper with the money. I'm sure there is a better one.
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Post by scooter on Mar 13, 2024 8:43:15 GMT
scooter not 100% sure I follow, but 1 profitable scenario would be if you were up to no good, perhaps didn't really own the property & planned to scarper with the money. I'm sure there is a better one. I was just wondering why the borrower couldn't get a longer term buy to let mortgage straight away or within 3-6 months at least and if he had a real plan in place he would have sorted it out by now before the end of the term.
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Post by tallsuk on Mar 13, 2024 9:13:04 GMT
Hi, the story on this one probably lies in why he needed the loan from Kuflink in the first place. I can't really come up with a scenario whereby i buy a property for long term letting and get a 12 month loan from company like Kuflink (no disrespect meant on this occasion) with a view to refinancing in 12 months. If he bought it at auction maybe you have to use this sort of loan, but why 12 months, why not 6? He has a tenant. He has not applied for planning. Nothing has added value in 12 months. Anyone got any clues as to why people do this? A common business model is to buy a property, then add value to it, by extending or reworking plans etc, then refinancing onto a B2L mortgage before letting it out. The idea behind it is that by adding value and refinancing you can then take all your money out of the deal to be used on the next one. For example (these numbers are not realistic and just to help explain) , you buy a place for £100k with a £25k deposit (for B2L you need minimum 25%). You then add £100k of value and the property is then worth £200k. You can refinance onto a £150k mortgage, which means you are able to get all your initial deposit back and, in this example, another £50k. It used to be very possible but nowadays it is hard to get all your money back but getting most of it back can still be very helpful in financing the next deal. The catch is that you cant refinance to another mortgage within 6 month and therefore having a 12 month safety net makes far more sense although it does cost more. It is far cheaper than a 6-month bridging loan and then 6 months of late fees and penalty interest.
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Post by scooter on Mar 13, 2024 9:28:32 GMT
Hi, the story on this one probably lies in why he needed the loan from Kuflink in the first place. I can't really come up with a scenario whereby i buy a property for long term letting and get a 12 month loan from company like Kuflink (no disrespect meant on this occasion) with a view to refinancing in 12 months. If he bought it at auction maybe you have to use this sort of loan, but why 12 months, why not 6? He has a tenant. He has not applied for planning. Nothing has added value in 12 months. Anyone got any clues as to why people do this? A common business model is to buy a property, then add value to it, by extending or reworking plans etc, then refinancing onto a B2L mortgage before letting it out. The idea behind it is that by adding value and refinancing you can then take all your money out of the deal to be used on the next one. For example (these numbers are not realistic and just to help explain) , you buy a place for £100k with a £25k deposit (for B2L you need minimum 25%). You then add £100k of value and the property is then worth £200k. You can refinance onto a £150k mortgage, which means you are able to get all your initial deposit back and, in this example, another £50k. It used to be very possible but nowadays it is hard to get all your money back but getting most of it back can still be very helpful in financing the next deal. The catch is that you cant refinance to another mortgage within 6 month and therefore having a 12 month safety net makes far more sense although it does cost more. It is far cheaper than a 6-month bridging loan and then 6 months of late fees and penalty interest. That makes sense. The place looks better now than the original picture with the loan, but he is probably struggling to get the valuation he wants.
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Post by scepticalinvestor on Mar 13, 2024 9:57:09 GMT
Hi, the story on this one probably lies in why he needed the loan from Kuflink in the first place. I can't really come up with a scenario whereby i buy a property for long term letting and get a 12 month loan from company like Kuflink (no disrespect meant on this occasion) with a view to refinancing in 12 months. If he bought it at auction maybe you have to use this sort of loan, but why 12 months, why not 6? He has a tenant. He has not applied for planning. Nothing has added value in 12 months. Anyone got any clues as to why people do this? A common business model is to buy a property, then add value to it, by extending or reworking plans etc, then refinancing onto a B2L mortgage before letting it out. The idea behind it is that by adding value and refinancing you can then take all your money out of the deal to be used on the next one. For example (these numbers are not realistic and just to help explain) , you buy a place for £100k with a £25k deposit (for B2L you need minimum 25%). You then add £100k of value and the property is then worth £200k. You can refinance onto a £150k mortgage, which means you are able to get all your initial deposit back and, in this example, another £50k. It used to be very possible but nowadays it is hard to get all your money back but getting most of it back can still be very helpful in financing the next deal. The catch is that you cant refinance to another mortgage within 6 month and therefore having a 12 month safety net makes far more sense although it does cost more. It is far cheaper than a 6-month bridging loan and then 6 months of late fees and penalty interest. I’ve done similar in the past (pre-Covid) using bridging finance from Precise and Together, they were both on 12 month terms using no exit fees products and I exited the loans early in 4 months on one and 10 months on the other. Both were relatively straightforward refurbs on properties that wouldn’t be mortgageable straight away but only needed non structural work to make good into a habitable and mortgageable state. And while it is true that a lot of BTL lenders will not countenance a remortgage within 6 months of purchase (or will not revalue the property upwards within that time), there are lenders that will. In this case it looks like the borrower couldn’t get the valuation/LTV/amount needed from more mainstream bridging providers and hence had to come to Kuflink.
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Post by SteveK on Mar 13, 2024 10:58:53 GMT
A common business model is to buy a property, then add value to it, by extending or reworking plans etc, then refinancing onto a B2L mortgage before letting it out. The idea behind it is that by adding value and refinancing you can then take all your money out of the deal to be used on the next one. For example (these numbers are not realistic and just to help explain) , you buy a place for £100k with a £25k deposit (for B2L you need minimum 25%). You then add £100k of value and the property is then worth £200k. You can refinance onto a £150k mortgage, which means you are able to get all your initial deposit back and, in this example, another £50k. It used to be very possible but nowadays it is hard to get all your money back but getting most of it back can still be very helpful in financing the next deal. The catch is that you cant refinance to another mortgage within 6 month and therefore having a 12 month safety net makes far more sense although it does cost more. It is far cheaper than a 6-month bridging loan and then 6 months of late fees and penalty interest. I’ve done similar in the past (pre-Covid) using bridging finance from Precise and Together, they were both on 12 month terms using no exit fees products and I exited the loans early in 4 months on one and 10 months on the other. Both were relatively straightforward refurbs on properties that wouldn’t be mortgageable straight away but only needed non structural work to make good into a habitable and mortgageable state. And while it is true that a lot of BTL lenders will not countenance a remortgage within 6 months of purchase (or will not revalue the property upwards within that time), there are lenders that will. In this case it looks like the borrower couldn’t get the valuation/LTV/amount needed from more mainstream bridging providers and hence had to come to Kuflink.and then when the Kuflink term is up the borrower struggles to get another loan! And so back to scooter's question 'Anyone got any clues as to why people do this?' Are there other Kuflink loans currently in this position?
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