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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 9:59:08 GMT
So this is supposed to be an independent forum, but Assetz Capital is blocking discussions regarding the "FF" deal, when that deal gets into trouble/default (I am only a recent member and therefore don't know the full history)?
Not very transparent in my opinion.
Is the "Independent forum" managed by Assetz Capital?
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Post by Grezza on Feb 7, 2015 10:12:41 GMT
Hi sebtomato, I think you will find the more sensitive info you seek on the AC Private board, just follow the details in the Sub-boards section above the AC threads.
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Post by bugs4me on Feb 7, 2015 10:15:45 GMT
So this is supposed to be an independent forum, but Assetz Capital is blocking discussions regarding the "FF" deal, when that deal gets into trouble/default (I am only a recent member and therefore don't know the full history)? Not very transparent in my opinion. Is the "Independent forum" managed by Assetz Capital? No, AC are not blocking anything. It was decided that in the case of FF as a few forum members got a little irate then there would be a separate section - the Pink Board. Membership to this is free provided you invest in AC already. Any 'blocking' is carried out by the moderators who are totally independent and the forum rules are clearly set out - all normal stuff IMO.
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 7, 2015 10:28:44 GMT
Is the "Independent forum" managed by Assetz Capital? Emphatically not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 10:39:09 GMT
So this is supposed to be an independent forum, but Assetz Capital is blocking discussions regarding the "FF" deal, when that deal gets into trouble/default (I am only a recent member and therefore don't know the full history)? Not very transparent in my opinion. Is the "Independent forum" managed by Assetz Capital? No, AC are not blocking anything. It was decided that in the case of FF as a few forum members got a little irate then there would be a separate section - the Pink Board. Membership to this is free provided you invest in AC already. Any 'blocking' is carried out by the moderators who are totally independent and the forum rules are clearly set out - all normal stuff IMO. Still a not very transparent behaviour to block some messages to non-customers when a deal is getting into trouble. Surely, new possible customers should be able to make their own opinion on AC. Is there any relationship between AC and this forum (apart from being part of the subjects being discussed)?
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Post by Come_on_Grandad on Feb 7, 2015 10:45:45 GMT
No, AC are not blocking anything. It was decided that in the case of FF as a few forum members got a little irate then there would be a separate section - the Pink Board. Membership to this is free provided you invest in AC already. Any 'blocking' is carried out by the moderators who are totally independent and the forum rules are clearly set out - all normal stuff IMO. Still a not very transparent behaviour to block some messages to non-customers when a deal is getting into trouble. Surely, new possible customers should be able to make their own opinion on AC. Is there any relationship between AC and this forum (apart from being part of the subjects being discussed)? Quite possibly there are many newer members of this forum who are unaware of its history. You could start by reading posts dated november 2013 in this board p2pindependentforum.com/board/1/forum-feedback?page=2In a nutshell, AC created this forum and promptly handed it over to an independent moderating team when a previous "independent" forum had the rug pulled from under it by another well known platform.
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Post by merlin on Feb 7, 2015 10:51:49 GMT
No, AC are not blocking anything. It was decided that in the case of FF as a few forum members got a little irate then there would be a separate section - the Pink Board. Membership to this is free provided you invest in AC already. Any 'blocking' is carried out by the moderators who are totally independent and the forum rules are clearly set out - all normal stuff IMO. Still a not very transparent behaviour to block some messages to non-customers when a deal is getting into trouble. Surely, new possible customers should be able to make their own opinion on AC. Is there any relationship between AC and this forum (apart from being part of the subjects being discussed)? Yes their is a relationship but for Andrew Holgate et al this Forum would not exist. When the previous "Independent Forum" was bought out by FC Andrew put his hand in his pocket and created this one. So we all owe AH a debt of gratitude in doing that.
I for one have on occasion thrown some very large bricks into AC's pond on this "public" part of the Forum without any attempt by the Mods to edit them. I have once had my knuckles rapped for some comments I made about a loan on AC and I took the criticism in the way it was intended and have not repeated it.
Well done Andrew I must admit that I thought at least the interest part of the FF debt would go bad.
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Post by batchoy on Feb 7, 2015 10:55:47 GMT
No, AC are not blocking anything. It was decided that in the case of FF as a few forum members got a little irate then there would be a separate section - the Pink Board. Membership to this is free provided you invest in AC already. Any 'blocking' is carried out by the moderators who are totally independent and the forum rules are clearly set out - all normal stuff IMO. Still a not very transparent behaviour to block some messages to non-customers when a deal is getting into trouble. Surely, new possible customers should be able to make their own opinion on AC. Is there any relationship between AC and this forum (apart from being part of the subjects being discussed)? The separate private board allows open discussion amongst AC lenders and AC with out fear of favour, and given that it is not subject to general access and hidden from search engines with a reduced risk of legal action against the moderators of the forum. Without the privacy offered by the private board the only other option would be to ban all discussion whatsoever when things become heated, or ban members who insist on discussing contentious subjects (as happened with the crappy scrappy) so what we have is a least worst compromise.
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Post by bugs4me on Feb 7, 2015 10:56:25 GMT
No, AC are not blocking anything. It was decided that in the case of FF as a few forum members got a little irate then there would be a separate section - the Pink Board. Membership to this is free provided you invest in AC already. Any 'blocking' is carried out by the moderators who are totally independent and the forum rules are clearly set out - all normal stuff IMO. Still a not very transparent behaviour to block some messages to non-customers when a deal is getting into trouble. Surely, new possible customers should be able to make their own opinion on AC. Is there any relationship between AC and this forum (apart from being part of the subjects being discussed)? There were several possible slanderous comments made about this loan in particular - some folks understandably got hot under the collar. The decision to set up a private members area was made by the admin/moderator team responsible for this forum. AC had very little to do with it but due to the sensitive nature of this loan in particular although there are others, chose to keep lenders/investors informed on the private pages. AFAIK, the private forum is not indexed by search engines so it remains private. All AC lenders/investors can view these comments whether they had a slice of the action in FF or not. Regarding this particular loan, apart from a couple of small issues, AC did very well in getting lenders/investors money returned IMO. There are many platforms where a loan gets into 'apparent trouble' and the platform seems to just go quiet on the subject. In defence of AC, they are one of the more open platforms and are very active in answering members queries.
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 7, 2015 11:24:39 GMT
Still a not very transparent behaviour to block some messages to non-customers when a deal is getting into trouble. Surely, new possible customers should be able to make their own opinion on AC. Is there any relationship between AC and this forum (apart from being part of the subjects being discussed)? The nature of the brief 'relationship' to AC is covered by other posters so I won't repeat. But for clarity: a) board admin are and always have been completely independent of AC or any other platform b) treat ALL platforms equally c) treat all posts / topics on their own merit. i think a perusal of the boards will show that there is no policy per se of preventing highlightinh / discussion of bad loans. Personally I do however recognise that there has been a side effect to establishing the 'AC Lender only' area. Namely that it is more likely that any discussion/highlighting of such is now more likely to happen in that area rather than even any mention in the pure public area. Whether that could lead to a 'skewed' view of relative merits of different platforms is a separate issue. But any such judgement should really be based on overall default and recovery rates etc etc not on the number of instances of 'point loan' discussions on a forum. As an example the number of FC defaulted loans which get mentioned discussed here will be but a fraction of the actual numbers (if for no other reason than FC will never respond / contribute). On the other hand probably ALL AC problem loans will be brought up on the board precisely because AC do respond / contribute.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Feb 7, 2015 15:52:19 GMT
And of course anyone can join the private forum, if they first join AC, which is free and not unduly onerous. Wish FC would be 1/10th as transparent as AC are (and wish AC had 1/10th of the loans FC have. 8>.).
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Post by sqh on Feb 7, 2015 17:23:37 GMT
So this is supposed to be an independent forum, but Assetz Capital is blocking discussions regarding the "FF" deal, when that deal gets into trouble/default (I am only a recent member and therefore don't know the full history)? Not very transparent in my opinion. Is the "Independent forum" managed by Assetz Capital? You are unlikely to get any information about any default loan on any platform unless you have a piece of the action. I was a fairly new lender on AC when FF got into trouble, I didn't have an investment in FF, so I didn't know what action was being taken. The pink board was created to discuss the default of FF, so I registered with Proboards and got access to the Pink board through AC. If it wasn't for the Pink board I would still be a guest on Proboards. Even though I got sight of all the FF posts, I have little understanding of exactly what action was taken and what lenders voted for. I've started buying £1 of every loan I don't want to invest in, just so that next time I am kept fully informed.
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 7, 2015 19:08:17 GMT
Even though I got sight of all the FF posts, I have little understanding of exactly what action was taken and what lenders voted for. Isn't that info available by studying the loan's recent activity reports and Q&A on the AC website?
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 7, 2015 19:19:18 GMT
So this is supposed to be an independe forum, but Assetz Capital is blocking discussions regarding the "FF" deal, when that deal gets into trouble/default (I am only a recent member and therefore don't know the full history)? Not very transparent in my opinion. Is the "Independent forum" managed by Assetz Capital? You are unlikely to get any information about any default loan on any platform unless you have a piece of the action. I was a fairly new lender on AC when FF got into trouble, I didn't have an investment in FF, so I didn't know what action was being taken. The pink board was created to discuss the default of FF, so I registered with Proboards and got access to the Pink board through AC. If it wasn't for the Pink board I would still be a guest on Proboards. Even though I got sight of all the FF posts, I have little understanding of exactly what action was taken and what lenders voted for. I've started buying £1 of every loan I don't want to invest in, just so that next time I am kept fully informed. The info is all on the platform either in the updates or q&a for all AC investors to see whether invested or not. What wasnt was personal opinions on various aspects of the default & recovery actions which were only relevant to those invested, but even these could be accessed by all lenders if so desired. Edit: bit od cross post their with mike, distracted by football
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Post by sqh on Feb 7, 2015 23:12:33 GMT
You are unlikely to get any information about any default loan on any platform unless you have a piece of the action. I was a fairly new lender on AC when FF got into trouble, I didn't have an investment in FF, so I didn't know what action was being taken. The pink board was created to discuss the default of FF, so I registered with Proboards and got access to the Pink board through AC. If it wasn't for the Pink board I would still be a guest on Proboards. Even though I got sight of all the FF posts, I have little understanding of exactly what action was taken and what lenders voted for. I've started buying £1 of every loan I don't want to invest in, just so that next time I am kept fully informed. The info is all on the platform either in the updates or q&a for all AC investors to see whether invested or not. What wasnt was personal opinions on various aspects of the default & recovery actions which were only relevant to those invested, but even these could be accessed by all lenders if so desired. I am being somewhat unfair, because a lot of information was made available. However, around the beginning of July, some important emails were sent to lenders. In particular, an email giving the option to vote on certain criteria. I don't believe the email was ever made public, which made it difficult to understand what the lender options were. A (seemed to have 3 parts) or B. It was easy to follow after the vote. If you want the full story, in all of it's glory, own a piece of the flan, when the **** hits the fan.
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