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Post by joerba on Oct 1, 2024 8:39:57 GMT
Hello. I joined and invested in ASSETZ CAPITAL years ago and i thought any loan to any company was secured by that companies assets so that we had some protection against them defaulting. How come now many companies have now reneged on their payments and we could lose half of our investment with them Does anyone have any comments about this
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bugs4me
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Post by bugs4me on Oct 3, 2024 15:02:53 GMT
Hello. I joined and invested in ASSETZ CAPITAL years ago and i thought any loan to any company was secured by that companies assets so that we had some protection against them defaulting. How come now many companies have now reneged on their payments and we could lose half of our investment with them Does anyone have any comments about this Hi and welcome to the forum. There are stacks of views/opinions/facts regarding AC. I know it's going to be a long read but you should in my opinion familiarise yourself with earlier threads.
Investors/lenders used to be very complimentary towards AC - they (AC) appeared to to extrude transparency. Then a while back a senior member of staff suddenly left - his departure was undoubtedly covered by a NDA but from that point on things gradually went downhill. Slowly at first but the snowball rolling down the hill picked up speed. The removal of the retail market, lack of platform engagement, undesirable management opaqueness, etc - the list goes on and on. Many folks left the platform (including myself) so now I'm just a casual observer.
Anyway, it's a long read and there may be other forumites willing to chip their tuppence worth in, especially if they're still invested in AC.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Oct 3, 2024 15:45:30 GMT
Hello. I joined and invested in ASSETZ CAPITAL years ago and i thought any loan to any company was secured by that companies assets so that we had some protection against them defaulting. How come now many companies have now reneged on their payments and we could lose half of our investment with them Does anyone have any comments about this It depends how the loan was secured and whether the company actually has any assets. I expect there will be details for each loan somewhere, as said above you might need to read the other threads to phrase a less general question.
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Post by joerba on Oct 10, 2024 13:10:50 GMT
Like i said they were scrutinized and if they did not have the assets to cover the loan we were told hey would not get the loan. Also there was a contingency fund that should have helped with the loses. There are many loans now that are suspended and we are voting to say what actions to take. Either way i know i will lose thousands of pounds. Just wondering who else on these threads are in a similar situation
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Post by dave2 on Oct 10, 2024 15:58:15 GMT
Like i said they were scrutinized and if they did not have the assets to cover the loan we were told hey would not get the loan. Also there was a contingency fund that should have helped with the loses. There are many loans now that are suspended and we are voting to say what actions to take. Either way i know i will lose thousands of pounds. Just wondering who else on these threads are in a similar situation Like you, I have already lost thousands of pounds, however I have earned a lot of money and already got back more than I lent. You need to look at your defaulted loans, then consider all the capital repayments that have been made, and offset the interest you have earned. Patience is a virture in this game.
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Post by scooter on Oct 11, 2024 11:48:21 GMT
I'm not the sort of person to do nothing.... But i think in the case of AC all we can do now is wait. I dont think i will make a loss, but i dont think it will have been worthwhile either.
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Post by bob2010 on Oct 11, 2024 15:05:18 GMT
What I struggle to understand is the purpose of the Provision Fund now...
Instead of passing the full interest on, it's capped and based on actual cash payments. The excess goes into the Provision Fund and is then paid out to investors. So, at the end of the day, the same amount should end up in our bank account (or at least that’s the hope), so what’s the point of it all?
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Post by alender on Oct 14, 2024 11:56:49 GMT
Investors/lenders used to be very complimentary towards AC - they (AC) appeared to to extrude transparency. I was one until the first lock in, just before I had some money on instant withdrawal to pay tax (was told just few weeks before by AC there are no issues or anticipated issues with withdrawals) but AC blocked it saying my bank account was not verified even though they sent money to it many times, I then got it verified but AC held up the process up (2 days) until 2 hours after lock in. I contacted AC and they just said we followed the rules go away. This was enough to tell me AC were not a good organisation, I did not want all my capital out less than 5%, just enough to pay the tax. At that point decided to take out all my cash ASAP, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Then the shenanigans really started, non pro-rata distributions, secondary market, fees, changing rules, surplus money held in AAs instead of distributing it etc. Also the extent of loan tranches AC had committed to came to light, no information on these before lock in except in the small print that they existed and no risk or other warnings about these. I started criticising AC (using facts) and got a lot of abuse from AC (Chris and Stuart) and a number of other posters, after a time it became apparent AC were not playing fare with investors, the tide turned and posters anger was turned on AC, lucky I got out well before second lock in. Amazingly some posters even said I was stupid to pull out and would regret my decision (I think AC blocked new deposits into AAs for a short time). The one thing I take from all of this is a leopard does not change it's spots and AC will continue to milk investors as much as they can, IMO there is no future for such an organisation either retail or corporate. I compare this to Growth Street who had to lock in but they obeyed the rules, did not commit huge sums of investors money in future tranches and paid everything back in a short time, less than a year, most within a few months. Also support was very good and I said if they started up again would happily invest, it seems there are others like myself but the owners decide enough was enough and time to move on.
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Post by ashtondav on Oct 16, 2024 7:52:32 GMT
And they’ve got away with it. No financial or reputational penalties, so a green light for all the others to behave like scoundrels.
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Post by ceejay on Oct 31, 2024 19:28:28 GMT
Hello. I joined and invested in ASSETZ CAPITAL years ago and i thought any loan to any company was secured by that companies assets so that we had some protection against them defaulting. How come now many companies have now reneged on their payments and we could lose half of our investment with them Does anyone have any comments about this You'd have to have been pretty unlucky to have lost "half" your investment. Sure, if you look at the remaining loans you'll find a high proportion of trash but that's because all the good ones have paid up and disappeared (and not been replaced with new ones). As it happens I just popped in here today because my last meaningful loan has just (mostly) coughed up and my notional remaining value (after discounting expected losses) is down to about £1, which is as near as being out as makes no difference. The XIRR return on all the ins and outs over the years comes to 5.6% - not quite what I'd hoped for but far from disastrous: I suspect that many others will have similar stories.
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