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Post by andrewholgate on Dec 23, 2013 21:11:46 GMT
PS - I hope that covers off transparency issues anyone may have.
Now, it's nearly time for my sojourn to the continent for a,little bit of mountain sport. Usual levels of service may be disrupted.
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Post by andrewholgate on Dec 23, 2013 21:12:55 GMT
Maybe a max bid size on the rest of the bids could have been used, which could be removed after x amount of time if the loan is not filled. Noted
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 23, 2013 22:22:59 GMT
Ok, the first bid was for a large investor who has supported AC from the very first loan we did. This loan has taken almost 6 months to come about during which time the investor has had funds sitting waiting to deploy on it. 6 months ago we struggled to fill loans, but now we don't at a certain size. Again in I was in a difficult position ... In hindsight, communication could have been better on this one. We do have more loans coming and I believe we can satisfy demand. We listened and made changes to the way the larger lender panel works, communication could have been better on this one, and we do have a full pipeline of loans to come. i will never be able to satisfy 100% of lenders 100% of the time! but I listen and I make changes where necessary. Thanks for letting us know what happened. I can see you were in an awkward position, and you probably made the best of it. I'd fully support the idea of a maximum bid size for loans that are expected to fill quickly, with a time limit on the restriction in case the opportunity turns out not to be as popular as anticipated. I appreciate that Assetz do listen to their lenders and make changes a result. That's a very positive thing. I look forward to seeing more loan opportunities and hope that I can put the funds I had expected to invest in the Stourbridge opportunity to use before long. Enjoy your break!
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Post by jevans4949 on Dec 24, 2013 10:40:12 GMT
Thanks, Andrew, for the explanations. I guess in many cases it could be counter-productive to release such information prior to the launch. Best wishes to all those heavy-hitters who have helped Assetz get under way, and are still helping with the larger loans.
Here's hoping by this time next year there's so much business that everybody can be satisfied.
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Post by chris on Dec 24, 2013 12:36:10 GMT
Thanks, Andrew, for the explanations. I guess in many cases it could be counter-productive to release such information prior to the launch. Best wishes to all those heavy-hitters who have helped Assetz get under way, and are still helping with the larger loans. Here's hoping by this time next year there's so much business that everybody can be satisfied. That's certainly our plan - it's always going to be a balancing act to keep both borrowers and lenders of all sizes happy, and it's one we're very conscious of and taking as many pro-active steps as possible to maintain. We'll also always be looking at ways technology can be used to help.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Dec 24, 2013 12:45:58 GMT
Are we to expect a substantial lump (say 70%) of the underwritten Boxing Day Mr Urfan (High Wycombe) loan to be snapped up by an investor bidder, or is that one likely to be a less frenetic procedure?
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Post by batchoy on Dec 24, 2013 14:36:08 GMT
Are we to expect a substantial lump (say 70%) of the underwritten Boxing Day Mr Urfan (High Wycombe) loan to be snapped up by an investor bidder, or is that one likely to be a less frenetic procedure? I wonder how many people are busy rearranging boxing day dinner so that they can have their fingers poised over their keyboards at 14:00
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Post by pepperpot on Dec 24, 2013 16:45:24 GMT
Are we to expect a substantial lump (say 70%) of the underwritten Boxing Day Mr Urfan (High Wycombe) loan to be snapped up by an investor bidder, or is that one likely to be a less frenetic procedure? I wonder how many people are busy rearranging boxing day dinner so that they can have their fingers poised over their keyboards at 14:00 The dark and devious place in my mind (only small, but can't deny it's existence) wonders if anyone will use the old 'may I be excused from the table, I'm just going to the bathroom' excuse to get a quick 5 min fix of investing to break up the post lunch pleasantries with the mother-in-law, during this "happy family time". For the avoidance of doubt I've made a pre-bid on High Wycombe so will endure enjoy the whole afternoon.
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Post by mrclondon on Dec 24, 2013 16:47:11 GMT
Are we to expect a substantial lump (say 70%) of the underwritten Boxing Day Mr Urfan (High Wycombe) loan to be snapped up by an investor bidder, or is that one likely to be a less frenetic procedure? I wonder how many people are busy rearranging boxing day dinner so that they can have their fingers poised over their keyboards at 14:00 The start time will count me out if it fills instantly, but my guess is it will be a steady filler as the draw down could be fairly protracted so discouraging sizable bids. (Bradford & Bingley is part of Santander who could well take weeks to agree to the 2nd charge).
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Post by oldnick on Dec 24, 2013 17:12:01 GMT
Hopefully Andrew is warming his toes by a roaring fire... I'm not quite by a roaring fire and I hate gluhwein... a Hi Andrew, Firstly let me apologise for my slightly provocative post yesterday and secondly for not replying sooner. (I had a lengthy response composed but accidently deleted it with a flourish at the last second. Then nature commanded my attention by trying to pull bits off my roof – they’re back on now.) Having slept on the subject I accept that not all questions will get an answer before an auction - especially if they appear Columbo-like at the last minute. Having said that I find some of the answers that are given are a little too guarded. More clarity might stop me trying to read between the lines to find out what’s happening. For example; six days ago a question was raised about the competence of the builder due to the lack of a Monitoring Surveyor’s Report. Assetz’s reply referred to “third parties not supplying the relevant information”. Who might the third party be? If it was the builder I’d like to know, and if it wasn’t the builder, I suspect he’d like me to know. Two days ago another questioner claimed that the builder didn’t have planning permission to build care homes. Although this has now been answered, this morning the reply from Assetz was still “This question has not yet been answered but Assetz Capital is working to source the answer” So at the time the auction began I had doubts about the competence of the allegedly experienced builder and doubts about the value of the security – “no planning permission” could result in an order to demolish, and, if planning permission was never to be granted: a devalued security. These were, for me, “known unknowns”. As for pleasing everyone, I agree, you can’t, and the main thing for you is to grow Assetz Capital. For what it’s worth I think you’re doing a fine job and you’ve attracted a loyal following as a result. Try not to think of these comments as moaning, but rather as opportunities to react if you think it suits your business model. Sticking by your big players must be a priority as you’ll get the auctions away a lot more efficiently that way. Whether the smaller players can be persuaded to continue to play “snap” when the auctions begin is another matter. The obvious answer is to provide more loan opportunities – if only it were that easy! If you are trying to keep as many lenders on board as possible (until such time as more loan opportunities become available) what about inviting pre-bids from everyone and then sharing the loan out amongst them? The bidders could perhaps stipulate a minimum as well as a maximum amount that they’re interested in offering so they don’t end up with unwanted tiny portions of a loan. Just a thought – I’m happy to be shot down in flames by the wisdom of the crowd. Think of this as holiday reading and reply when you return if you like: time with the family is precious. Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Dec 24, 2013 18:02:12 GMT
"For the avoidance of doubt I've made a pre-bid on High Wycombe so will endure enjoy the whole afternoon."
Hey, Pepperpot... when did the offer come to pre-bid on this one? I've had nothing, and we've still had no answer as to whether 70% will be taken up by a private backer. I will be unable to bid on the day at 14:00 .... but then who would back a used tyre flogger aged 27 (and various other stuff)? Andrew obviously thinks the idea is sound.
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Post by pepperpot on Dec 24, 2013 18:48:37 GMT
We seem to be merging 2 loans into one thread, now that stourbridge has ended, oh well I'll keep the tangent going... AIUI you can request a bid via email or phone on anything over 250k at any time before it opens, and as I'll be busy on Boxing day (make mine a double) I thought I'd at least make a showing (I sent an email about 1sh today). Mine and a few others bids are already showing on the bid list page so no big bidders in as yet. To be honest, who he is and what he does is secondary to the rather large rug we'll be holding charge over, that can be pulled from under his feet (and mum n dad's) should people decide new tyres are actually better value! But even if his tyres goes pop ( ) there's enough serviceability from the rest of the rents that he might find he's better off letting his unit out as well. Freeing up his time to be just a landlord and give something else a go. His parents obviously believe in him and they're not mega rich from the fact that they're still holding on to a 56k mortgage so their personal guarantee (surprise, surprise) isn't worth nearly as much as the bricks n mortar. Agree with mrc though that drawdown might be a little painful on this and am starting to get wary of some of the (24th Oct) mortgage type loans. Although the rate on this should be sufficient to give a decent return. But once he has 3 years accounts under his belt a more favorable rate might be open to him, so highly doubt this loan will last 5 yrs.
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Post by andrewholgate on Dec 24, 2013 19:09:51 GMT
I'm not quite by a roaring fire and I hate gluhwein... a Hi Andrew, Firstly let me apologise ... No need to apologise. All valid questions and all needed an answer. Its been a long road to here and in the last quarter we have been in profit every month. Don't tell TC, as they still think they are the only profitable platform. However, the profitability has come from making some tough decisions on how to fill loans. Making the platform stable (ie making profits) has been the big driver for us. I'll try and change a few things in the new year to make t more accessible to all. A
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 24, 2013 21:39:55 GMT
... my guess is it will be a steady filler as the draw down could be fairly protracted so discouraging sizable bids. (Bradford & Bingley is part of Santander who could well take weeks to agree to the 2nd charge). Might the 0.25% cashback on all bids have been included as compensation for an expected protracted drawdown delay? If you consider this as a 10.8% opportunity then 0.25% would only compensate for an extra 8 days of delay, but if you consider the cost to be the loss of interest on money that would otherwise be sitting in an easy-access account earning something like 3%, then the 0.25% would compensate for a extra month's delay.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 14:18:00 GMT
but if you consider the cost to be the loss of interest on money that would otherwise be sitting in an easy-access account earning something like 3%, then the 0.25% would compensate for a extra month's delay. Methinks young mikes1531 has not been following bank/building society interest rates very closely. If I'm wrong, tell me where I can get 3 per cent in an easy access account (or any account with a term less than 3 years).
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