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Post by mrclondon on Apr 10, 2014 22:21:37 GMT
Rather a lot of loans due to draw down this week that haven't yet. Let's hope tomorrow is a busy day. Any news from the Shadow World? Shadow bids for Yorkshire and Furniture were called in c. 3 weeks ago (but both borrowers are expected to pay a fee to compensate for the delays). Beyond that, the anwser is "no news". Edited to add: I'm not in Weston Super Mare as I'm waiting for the AM on that one.
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Post by spockie on Apr 10, 2014 22:31:08 GMT
Rather a lot of loans due to draw down this week that haven't yet. Let's hope tomorrow is a busy day. Any news from the Shadow World? Shadow bids for Yorkshire and Furniture were called in c. 3 weeks ago (but both borrowers are expected to pay a fee to compensate for the delays). Beyond that, the anwser is "no news". Thanks for the update - appreciate it.
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Post by merlin on Apr 11, 2014 9:03:21 GMT
Andrew made some ambitious forecast for the growth of Assetz in the coming year at the Lenders Day and predicted that the loan book would grow from £20m to £100m over the coming year. I am sure most of us on this thread are keen to see this achieved and even exceeded. However whilst I understand how and why some loans get delayed in the drawdown phase, IMO this in itself could become a serious detraction to potential new lenders. Currently I have 9 loans awaiting drawdown, two of which date back to February and I am becoming increasingly irritated by the delay.
Assetz is putting much effort into developing its web site but I for one hope they are putting a similar amount of effort to improving the throughput of loans to completion.
Anyone else finding this a pain?
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Post by jonno on Apr 11, 2014 10:00:23 GMT
Merlin I agree with you 100%.I have 8 in the queue amounting to c.25% of my total investment.What exacerbates things is the combination of inaccurate deadline predictions,seemingly "testy" responses to drawdown questions on the loan pages,or worst of all no response (see furniture). I,like you,really want AC to succeed,but this issue really does need attention.
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Post by ramblin rose on Apr 11, 2014 10:11:45 GMT
AC is a recent diversion for me, and I'm certainly horrified by how long things seem to take compared with other platforms offering asset backed loans that I lend through. I've bid on two loans so far and will be watching to see how long they take to draw down before deciding what to do. I bought two other chunks via AM, which was much more straight forward and have already received my first amount of interest on one of them, with another due next week. I guess once I've invested enough to be allowed to make shadow bids I'll be much happier, but it definitely puts me off, so I might not reach that level. I'll give it a few months and smallish amounts to see how things pan out; it's all about the opportunity costs relating to dead money for me and there are quicker options elsewhere just now. On the other hand, diversification is worth paying for up to a point. In summary, I'm on the fence with AC, and the only reason I'm still up there is this issue with draw down timescales. Otherwise, it all seems active, liquid and all the other good things I'd want.
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Post by yorkshireman on Apr 11, 2014 10:17:01 GMT
Andrew made some ambitious forecast for the growth of Assetz in the coming year at the Lenders Day and predicted that the loan book would grow from £20m to £100m over the coming year. I am sure most of us on this thread are keen to see this achieved and even exceeded. However whilst I understand how and why some loans get delayed in the drawdown phase, IMO this in itself could become a serious detraction to potential new lenders. Currently I have 9 loans awaiting drawdown, two of which date back to February and I am becoming this increasingly irritated by the delay.
Assetz is putting much effort into developing its web site but I for one hope they are putting a similar amount of effort to improving the throughput of loans to completion.
Anyone else finding this a pain? Simple answer, yes!! I have commented on other threads about AC appearing to concentrate on the Lenders Day instead of day to day operations, one result of which could be loans taking an inordinate length of time to drawdown.
Out of curiosity, I assume that AC will benefit from interest earned on lenders money that is not lent out?
I am not suggesting for one moment that there is any deliberate attempt to delay loan completions for AC’s gain but at the end of the day we, the lenders are AC’s lifeblood and it’s our money lying idle.
I could be unkind and say that AC is currently all style and no substance but I still have a lot of time for Andrew, Chris and Assetz generally therefore I will sum up by saying that actions speak louder than words and don’t waste that goodwill AC.
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Post by jonno on Apr 11, 2014 10:37:18 GMT
Ramblin Rose-shadow bid facility is not the solution it may appear given the relationship of new loans appearing versus NONE drawing down.I'm in the position of having to settle shadow bids which are not yet due in order to free up shadw bid headroom.I've since increased my shadow "allowance" but if drawdown timescales dont improve I'll end up back in the same position.
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Post by ramblin rose on Apr 11, 2014 11:22:22 GMT
Ramblin Rose-shadow bid facility is not the solution it may appear given the relationship of new loans appearing versus NONE drawing down.I'm in the position of having to settle shadow bids which are not yet due in order to free up shadw bid headroom.I've since increased my shadow "allowance" but if drawdown timescales dont improve I'll end up back in the same position. Thanks for the heads up on that - I hadn't realised there was a limit to the allowance. I suppose it makes some sort of sense, although FS didn't feel the need to impose one recently - perhaps AC have been 'bitten' by not imposing a limit at some point. It does all make it look like AC is fairly hard work for a middling sort of investor - but it's early days for me here and I might feel better disposed once I've got used to how best to play things. In any case the new AI system appears to be a game changer so I will probably play with that a little bit too. Came a bit of a cropper with it the other day and ended up with new money I'd intended for one loan going straight into another - all due to my not having thought it through properly when I set up the options, but that in iteself has left me a bit uncomfortable with it too.
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Post by bugs4me on Apr 11, 2014 11:46:36 GMT
AC is a recent diversion for me, and I'm certainly horrified by how long things seem to take compared with other platforms offering asset backed loans that I lend through. I've bid on two loans so far and will be watching to see how long they take to draw down before deciding what to do. I bought two other chunks via AM, which was much more straight forward and have already received my first amount of interest on one of them, with another due next week. I guess once I've invested enough to be allowed to make shadow bids I'll be much happier, but it definitely puts me off, so I might not reach that level. I'll give it a few months and smallish amounts to see how things pan out; it's all about the opportunity costs relating to dead money for me and there are quicker options elsewhere just now. On the other hand, diversification is worth paying for up to a point. In summary, I'm on the fence with AC, and the only reason I'm still up there is this issue with draw down timescales. Otherwise, it all seems active, liquid and all the other good things I'd want. There is normally some compensation regarding extended drawdown timescales but I now visit the AM especially with the delays regarding *% over say 6 months. Any delays simply destroy the return. Shadow bidding is handy but IMO the quickest way is still with the AM and of course that equates to zero idle money time.
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Post by andrewholgate on Apr 11, 2014 12:07:03 GMT
This is a constant grumble both by lenders and by me. I have said before I would rather we had things right before we went into a loan than rush in and get bitten. I'm sure you have seen examples of where rushing in can cause headaches afterwards, and I spent 4 years in the team at RBS clearing up such mistakes.
We are constantly looking at ways to improve things and perhaps the LendInvest model is one that would improve the situation. Evolution rather than revolution though.
Thank you for the patience, I know it is painful but please be assured it is for me as well.
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Post by bengilbert on Apr 11, 2014 12:27:49 GMT
I would much rather see quick drawdowns with proper due diligence & documentation than slow drawdowns or loans being cancelled, but I would also much rather have slow drawdowns and cancellations instead of loans where something wasn't done right. For me, the strongest selling point for Assetz is the sense that security really is the priority and the loans are drawn up in a way that maximises the chance of recovering money if something goes wrong. I'm willing to wait longer for drawdown if that's what it takes to get the documentation right.
I do think Assetz could do a better job of communicating progress. It's not so much the having to wait as the uncertainty that bothers me - being given estimated drawdown dates that keep being put back, etc. I'm not sure though what can be done about this. It would be great to be copied in somehow to the exchanges you have with the lawyers but I can see that isn't practical. Any other suggestions?
I also back the idea of having a single page where all updates to drawdown progress/estimates on the loans in limbo are posted, rather than having to look at the Q&As for each individual deal.
Overall, though, I don't want Assetz to compromise the slightest bit on getting the security right, and I'm willing to wait if that's what it takes.
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Post by bugs4me on Apr 11, 2014 12:38:02 GMT
We are constantly looking at ways to improve things and perhaps the LendInvest model is one that would improve the situation. Evolution rather than revolution though. A Hopefully without the 10k minimum Andrew
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Post by spockie on Apr 11, 2014 12:39:41 GMT
I agree very much with bengilbert. It isn't so much the waiting as the lack of communication on it, an update only ever being given if asked for, and such requests sometimes taking a few days to get a response. i have suggested previously a weekly update on drawdown of all outstanding loans, either on here or via a weekly email. I think would do a lot to keep lenders calmer and happier about the issue. I'm quite sure most of the issues are out of Assetz's direct control and relate to solicitors etc who don't act on the day they say they will. However, communication is within control and I for one would welcome not having to trawl through every loan to find out if there is any update. Is what I am suggesting realistic andrewholgate?
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Post by andrewholgate on Apr 11, 2014 12:47:15 GMT
I agree very much with bengilbert. It isn't so much the waiting as the lack of communication on it, an update only ever being given if asked for, and such requests sometimes taking a few days to get a response. i have suggested previously a weekly update on drawdown of all outstanding loans, either on here or via a weekly email. I think would do a lot to keep lenders calmer and happier about the issue. I'm quite sure most of the issues are out of Assetz's direct control and relate to solicitors etc who don't act on the day they say they will. However, communication is within control and I for one would welcome not having to trawl through every loan to find out if there is any update. Is what I am suggesting realistic andrewholgate? I don't see why not. Let me speak to our marketing team as they run the communication side. A
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Post by bengilbert on Apr 11, 2014 12:49:04 GMT
Or we could always open a book on the drawdown date for each deal and let the Assetz team wager on the over/under!
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