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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 3, 2014 19:45:02 GMT
Lendy do try to ascertain a borrowers intentions before the end of the loan term. Sometimes this is possible. The latest information Lendy has on the two loans close to completion is as follows. Westerly Sealord: This loan is expected to have the interest paid to date and be renewed on Monday, the borrower has a buyer in place but doesn't expect to complete until end of Jan/Start of Feb so will renew the loan until the sale concludes. Moody S31: Borrower also has a buyer in place with completed sales paperwork and expects to complete in 12 days time. When this loan becomes due in 5 days time it is expected the borrower will utilise the extra 14 day statutory notice period to conclude the loan repayment, without having to actually renew the loan. Thanks for the update. Very useful. Westerly: Inasmuch as the boat will need to be revalued for the renewal -- as per SS T&C 5.5 -- this would be a good opportunity to bring the mis-identification of the boat in the valuation report to the valuer's attention. Will the renewal be set up for a full 6-month period, or just for another couple of months? Moody: Reading SS T&Cs 5.2 and 5.2.1, it appears that the 14-day notice can't be given until at least seven days after the loan term ends, so the boat owner really has at least 21 days in which to settle the loan. I presume the SS Ts&Cs are consistent with the Ts&Cs of the actual loan agreement with the borrower, but I can't check that because the loan agreement is not available on the Lendy website. Is there a reason why the standard Lendy loan agreement can't be made available to SS lenders? If not, perhaps a link to it could be posted in this thread.
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Post by mrclondon on Jan 6, 2014 20:35:52 GMT
Valuation pdf's (or a link to the manufacturer's website for brand new yachts) have now been attached to 5 of the 8 current loans ... including the superyacht, so now we know what c. 5 million euros will buy (although the surveyor rather states the obvious in section 12.6 "In this sector, design is very important. What sets one buyer alight will leave another cold". Which is no different to buying a house.)
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 6, 2014 22:37:00 GMT
Valuation pdf's (or a link to the manufacturer's website for brand new yachts) have now been attached to 5 of the 8 current loans ... Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I have looked at a couple of them, and a couple of things in the Camamgue report struck me as odd... - I can find no date on the report
- Aside from the obviously blacked out parts of the report, everything is perfectly readable except for the Valuation section on Page 23, which shows up on my display as alphabet soup. Is it just me? Or do others see the same problem?
Thanks to SS for uploading this info.
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Post by mrclondon on Jan 6, 2014 22:46:17 GMT
Aside from the obviously blacked out parts of the report, everything is perfectly readable except for the Valuation section on Page 23, which shows up on my display as alphabet soup. Is it just me? Or do others see the same problem? Looking at the pdf inside Firefox yes, but if I download the pdf and open it directly with Acrobat Reader XI it renders OK. It is probably caused by a strange font that the Firefox viewer doesn't know the correct substitution for.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 6, 2014 23:18:54 GMT
Aside from the obviously blacked out parts of the report, everything is perfectly readable except for the Valuation section on Page 23, which shows up on my display as alphabet soup. Is it just me? Or do others see the same problem? Looking at the pdf inside Firefox yes, but if I download the pdf and open it directly with Acrobat Reader XI it renders OK. It is probably caused by a strange font that the Firefox viewer doesn't know the correct substitution for. Thanks for the hint -- it worked for me too. (And I do use Firefox.) If a font substitution is involved, I can't see any difference between the odd paragraph and all the others. But why would the PDF have used a different font for that paragraph? Questions for SS/Lendy, I guess, since it would have been they who produced the redacted PDF. With respect to the valuation paragraph itself, I note the reference to a "patient sale". I don't suppose it's an issue as long as SS LTVs stay below 50%, but if they start exceeding that then these reports are going to become essential reading, as I expect the difference in the price that could be achieved in a quick sale to satisfy a non-redeemed loan could be considerably below that achieved in a patient sale. I wonder if borrowers realise how much less than the valuation their security might be sold for? Especially if SS/Lendy stick to their stated schedule of wanting to repay lenders within a month after the loan term ends. A month might not seem that short, but reading the various Ts&Cs, it looks like the 14-day notice wouldn't be sent until the loan is at least 7 days overdue, and since the auction can't take place until after the 14 days is up there's very little time left to have the auction.
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Post by savingstream on Jan 7, 2014 0:06:55 GMT
Hi mikes1531, thanks for the heads up regarding the font display issue, hopefully this has been resolved now, perhaps the author used a different font for these sections, it looked the same in Chrome and Acrobat Reader, we didn't check the document in Firefox. I have standardised the font across the document now and checked that it displays ok in Firefox.
To clarify the LTV point, Lendy has no intention of increasing LTV to above 50% in the marine asset class. We can only achieve rapid disposal sale's if we are exposed to a maximum of 50% LTV (62% after 6 months of 4% pcm interest).
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 7, 2014 3:56:21 GMT
Hi mikes1531, thanks for the heads up regarding the font display issue, hopefully this has been resolved now, perhaps the author used a different font for these sections, it looked the same in Chrome and Acrobat Reader, we didn't check the document in Firefox. I have standardised the font across the document now and checked that it displays ok in Firefox. To clarify the LTV point, Lendy has no intention of increasing LTV to above 50% in the marine asset class. We can only achieve rapid disposal sale's if we are exposed to a maximum of 50% LTV (62% after 6 months of 4% pcm interest). Thanks for fixing the PDF -- it looks fine to me in Firefox now. Thanks also for the assurance that Lendy intends to keep LTVs low. And perhaps knowing that a failure to repay would mean their boat would be sold off at a bargain price in a 'fire' sale also may give borrowers even more incentive to repay their loans!
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Post by mrclondon on Jan 13, 2014 22:06:22 GMT
savingstream - the three recent loan listings all contain the phrase (or similiar) "Borrower has provided a Personal Guarantee." Can you explain what this means in practise. Thanks.
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Post by shimself on Jan 13, 2014 22:45:29 GMT
A question about one of the practicalities:
If I were in charge of a boatyard I don't think I would want to be responsible for the keys.
If I was out and the owner came along, would my staff remember to refuse them the keys, where under any other circumstance they would be expected to be very helpful to the owner?
Is the boatyard owner paid for this? If the boat goes walkies (floaties) do they have to cough up, would their insurance cover it? etc
Thanks
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Post by savingstream on Jan 14, 2014 9:15:37 GMT
savingstream - the three recent loan listings all contain the phrase (or similar) "Borrower has provided a Personal Guarantee." Can you explain what this means in practise. Thanks. The PG simply forms another level of security, we are trying to reduce the likelihood of borrower's defaulting and Lendy having to dispose of assets. If the borrower signs a PG then they are further committed to repaying the loan rather than using the asset to settle the debt.
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Post by savingstream on Jan 14, 2014 9:20:27 GMT
A question about one of the practicalities: If I were in charge of a boatyard I don't think I would want to be responsible for the keys. If I was out and the owner came along, would my staff remember to refuse them the keys, where under any other circumstance they would be expected to be very helpful to the owner? Is the boatyard owner paid for this? If the boat goes walkies (floaties) do they have to cough up, would their insurance cover it? etc Thanks Lendy Ltd holds the keys for most of our vessels unless they are for sale with a boat broker. Advantages for the boatyard in signing the 3-way agreement are that we guarantee that storage fees will be paid. Most Marinas and boatyards are used to vessels having legal charges against then and are equipped to deal with those circumstances. If the boat does go walkies, the vessel can be considered stolen and a claim on the vessels insurance policy would ensue as Lendy Ltd is noted as First Loss Payee.
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Post by shimself on Jan 14, 2014 21:37:48 GMT
Thanks for the explanation
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Post by savingstream on Feb 7, 2014 20:12:50 GMT
Thank you MONEY for your observations. Mostly valid points and we have done our best to remedy some of them already.
We are 100% confident that our website registration & login process is safe and secure. We could email users randomly generated passcodes that we ask the nth and nth characters of along with the nth character of a first pets name upon each login, however we initially aimed for an uncomplicated approach to registering to encourage signups.
This has been added to the site now.
This will be added as soon as possible, however I believe the only items that will be editable will be address and contact phone number.
Your assumption and calculations here are incorrect. Loan terms are advertised to investors as a maximum of 7 months, however borrowers loan terms are only 6 months. This gives Lendy one month to issue 14 day statutory notice to the borrower and arrange fire sale of the asset, prior to investors expecting funds returned.
So at the end of a 6 month loan, the interest (for a 4% loan) will be 24%, but only 24% of the 50% loan value. Hence actual LTV only rises by half this value, 12%. So after 6 months the LTV rises by only 12%. We do not incur legal fees for recovery of funds, we simply sell the asset after the 14 day statutory notice period. So the maximum we are ever exposed to at the 6 month point is 62%.
This should have read "Money left in your Client Deposit Account will not earn any interest" and has been rectified.
This has also been modified to read "Withdrawals will only be made to the account provided by the Investor during the withdrawal request." When FCA regulation is introduced in April we may have to include nominated accounts on registration for compliance purposes. This would also mean having to drop GoCardless as, if an investor uses this method to fund their account we have no knowledge of the bank account it originated from.
As previously expressed we are keen to work with investors regarding their insight, ideas and helpful assistance. We have found it productive and with new loans being funded as quickly as they are being (£50k in a little over 3 hours) we are extremely pleased that investors appear to be confident in our product.
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Post by Lep Recorn on Feb 8, 2014 12:49:16 GMT
We are 100% confident that our website registration & login process is safe and secure. We could email users randomly generated passcodes that we ask the nth and nth characters of along with the nth character of a first pets name upon each login, however we initially aimed for an uncomplicated approach to registering to encourage signups. I can appreciate your wanting simplicity to encourage new signups, but I'm afraid that I strongly disagree that adding two personal Q&A fields to the login process complicates matters; in fact, I'm sure that in not having a more secure sign-in it would put a lot of potential lenders off - it's just too basic, and as confident as you obviously are of how secure your website is, it does not make people's computers, terminals or networks safe. I have to agree completely with MONEY. As a retired professional in this area a username/password combination is not sufficient as user front door security. This is one of the reasons I am only dipping my toes in here. What is perhaps just as worrying is the comment "We are 100% confident . . . ". Either the designers have taken no advice on this matter, or have been given very poor advice. This must lead to questions about the engineering robustness of other aspects of the site.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 6, 2014 20:13:14 GMT
Has the fixed and floating charge related to the 'superyacht' been lifted or is this still in play ?
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