paulgul
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Post by paulgul on Mar 18, 2015 18:08:19 GMT
Just wondered how many forum members invest with PM and are they getting the returns they expected. I've just registered with them to see what it's all about, being new to this I'm and just a small time investor I think the £500 minimum is a bit high for me but I might just give it a go. Does anyone foresee any problems this type of investment may have?
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webwiz
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Post by webwiz on Mar 18, 2015 22:12:52 GMT
I have a few thou with them, mainly because they are a bit different. I try to diversify across a number of platforms and across a number of loans on each platform. It is really too early to say whether or not they will come good on their promises. IMHO if they are competent landlords their platform could be an ideal way of playing the property market at a relatively low level (ie less than a million). Do your own DD etc etc
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Post by surby on Mar 19, 2015 14:44:28 GMT
I also have a few thou with them to diversify from equities and P2P loans which I regard as higher risk.
Thus far the 3% interest pending completion has been paid and the rent received has been in line with expectations. I have not experienced any void periods. None of their investments has yet run to completion, however, so there is no data against which to test the original projections.
I see the main risks as being:
1) Property prices can fall as well as rise, and 2) If that happens, investors might vote to take a lower capital return, or might vote to extend the investment period locking in your funds for longer than you wanted.
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Post by webwiz on Apr 17, 2015 17:31:29 GMT
The main thing stopping me going heavily into this one is some uncertainty over the exit position. There is no SM on the platform, despite the fact that each investment results in a formal share issue so would be be easy to implement, I should have thought, and it is not entirely clear what happens at the end of the initial period of (usually) either 2 or 3 years.
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Post by paulgul on Apr 17, 2015 20:15:44 GMT
Well I've took the plunge and gone for the minimum investment on the County Durham property, It's taking a long time to fill but evidently I'm getting 3% until it does (better than nothing). As far as I can make out at the end of the given period the property is sold and after deductions the money remaining is divided between the investors, hopefully with a capital gain - no harm in hoping I understand new look web site is due to be launched soon so there may be some new properties to look at
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Post by webwiz on Apr 18, 2015 15:10:10 GMT
It would be nice to have more info on what happens at the end of the initial term. I suppose it will be put up for sale but who decides the asking price and who decides whether an offer is accepted. PM only make money if there is a capital gain so if there is no offer above the purchase price they have an incentive to delay the sale, locking in investors' money. Will there be a shareholders' vote? If so who will conduct it?
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Post by propertymoose on Apr 21, 2015 22:07:40 GMT
Hi all
Thanks for the posts and questions regarding exit.
Firstly, I must say that we are yet to go through an exit as our terms have been for a minimum of 2 years to date. That being said, we have a very clear process in place for dealing with the exits, always with our investors' best interests in mind.
As many of you will know, within our fees is a profit share of 15% of the net capital growth (after costs and expenses are deducted). We did this to align ourselves with our investors' interests and show "skin in the game". However, control of when and on what terms a property is sold is down to the investors through an online voting process.
Each property is listed with a fixed term in mind, say 2 years, and we would normally expect an exit to happen quite close to that time.
Around 2-3 months before the expiry of the term, our investment team will conduct a full exit review of the property, including appraisals from local agents. Our team will then look at the best option for exiting the property for a combination of (i) the best price and (ii) the shortest exit period, and then write an exit report.
This report will be circulated to the investors, along with the proposed exit route.
Investors will then have the opportunity to vote if they want to retain the property.
There will be a fixed period for responding (say 14 days) with anyone not responding in that period being deemed to agree to the sale. This is designed to avoid situations where people are holding up an exit if they are unavailable (or uninterested!).
We expect there to be a vote for exit in most cases, but if, exceptionally, 85% of investors vote to retain the property, it will be kept for at least another year.
It is worth me mentioning (and to gauge people's opinion) that we are considering adding a preliminary step whereby investors are first asked- "Do you want to sell, retain or increase your investment at the end of the fixed term"?
If there are a number of individuals who want to retain an interest, the most efficient exit route may be to sell the property on to them with any spare shares offered to them or the crowd at a fair value price.
If anyone has any opinions on this I'd be grateful to hear them.
The comments regarding the secondary market are great as it’s something we are going to focus on once we have finalised the development of the new platform. This will take the form of a marketplace where investors can specify the price they want to sell their shares for. There will be a fee payable by the seller (2.5%) as there are significant time costs associated with dealing with the paperwork involved in the share transfer within the SPV. Property Moose has been built with the medium term investor in mind so we don't anticipate people using the secondary market unless they have a change in circumstance.
Property Moose itself work with a number of partners who have indicated they may be interested in providing some liquidity to the market if they can acquire shares at around par value.
Property Moose itself works with a number of partners who have indicated they may be interested in providing some liquidity to the market if they can acquire shares at around par value. We are therefore confident that we should be able to arrange a sale for any investors who need this facility. We are therefore confident that we should be able to arrange a sale for any investors who need this facility.
If anyone has any other specific questions, please do get in touch using out email on the website (I can't list it here).
Kind regards
Andrew
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Post by webwiz on Apr 22, 2015 16:36:23 GMT
It is worth me mentioning (and to gauge people's opinion) that we are considering adding a preliminary step whereby investors are first asked- "Do you want to sell, retain or increase your investment at the end of the fixed term"? If there are a number of individuals who want to retain an interest, the most efficient exit route may be to sell the property on to them with any spare shares offered to them or the crowd at a fair value price. This is an interesting idea, but how would the price be set?
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Post by paulgul on Apr 22, 2015 20:11:25 GMT
It is worth me mentioning (and to gauge people's opinion) that we are considering adding a preliminary step whereby investors are first asked- "Do you want to sell, retain or increase your investment at the end of the fixed term"? If there are a number of individuals who want to retain an interest, the most efficient exit route may be to sell the property on to them with any spare shares offered to them or the crowd at a fair value price. Sounds like a good idea, if there is a good return, rent wise, on the property it seems a bit silly to sell just for the sake of it. I appreciate that some will want their capital back but if arrangements can be made to offer their parts to existing owners or new buyers, it seems a winner
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Post by propertymoose on Apr 23, 2015 22:20:49 GMT
Thanks Webwiz - PM would get advice on market value, make an allowance for not having to paying any estate agents' fees and then crunch the numbers before calling a vote. It may prove to be a great opportunity for those that have seen the value in a specific property continuing to receive the rental yields and, of course, the numbers would have to work for exiting and incoming/continuing investors.
Thank you also Paulgul, great to hear you like the idea. Hopefully the posts have helped answer your questions. If I can assist at all then please do get in touch via our support email address and I'd be happy to help.
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