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Post by newbie on Apr 23, 2015 9:48:42 GMT
Hi. I have a small amount of money building up that I am looking to invest in a couple of different companies in the hopes of growing it.
Any advice? I have been reading this forum for a while now so feel like I know a bit already and have checked out a lot of different companies and feel like I am swaying towards certain ones and there are some that don't grab Me at all.
For example, loving the look of LoveFruitful, Wellesley and moneything. Don't like the look of Zopa, Ratesatter and the more crowdfundy ones.
Am I on the right path?
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Post by Jaydee on Apr 23, 2015 10:06:06 GMT
Hi. I have a small amount of money building up that I am looking to invest in a couple of different companies in the hopes of growing it. Any advice? I have been reading this forum for a while now so feel like I know a bit already and have checked out a lot of different companies and feel like I am swaying towards certain ones and there are some that don't grab Me at all. For example, loving the look of LoveFruitful, Wellesley and moneything. Don't like the look of Zopa, Ratesatter and the more crowdfundy ones. Am I on the right path? newbie It's all down to the level of risk you are prepared to take. Whilst one site could be ideal for one lender, it may not suit another. The best advice you can get is "Do your homework". Don't blindly accept what is stated on the loan page. Do your research and feel comfortable with the opportunity before lending. Be prepared to loose money and if you don't, it's a bonus. MoneyThing is very new and has attracted a lot of lenders in a short time because of the responsive attitude they have and the good rates of return. There is no secondary market so once invested you need to wait the full term before you get your money back. Wellesley offers lower rates. You don't get to choose your loans with Wellesley. they spread your cash over a range of loans and redo this weekly.
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Post by newbie on Apr 23, 2015 10:49:32 GMT
Jaydee I will be honest the lack of having to really manage things on those site are part of what has attracted me. I also think they seem like a much safer bet than start ups on crowd cube and ratesetter. At this point I'm not really prepared to loose, who is?, but understand it could happen. The funds would be put towards a buy to let property and I am planning to quickly turn this few thousand into a deposit by investing and adding every month.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 23, 2015 12:23:24 GMT
The funds would be put towards a buy to let property So your exit route is something you need to look hard at - how you get your money out, without losing too much interest, when you've found the right BtL. Have you considered combining the two, and looking at the House Crowd?
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Post by newbie on Apr 23, 2015 13:02:30 GMT
adrianc I just had a quick look, don't quite have enough money to diversify as much as I'd want to as it seems the minimum bid would be £1,000. With the few site I mentioned above you can deposit a small amount to start with. Also does seem riskier than what I have already looked at and returns are displayed on average so not a fixed amount each month that I can expect. The plan is to have some BtL property that I can gain from to save for the future but have a couple by the time I retire so my babies have a property each that I can pass on to them. At the moment I am starting with a very very small amount. A few thousand only I'm afraid. Any sites that you would recommend that you think I might like the sound of?
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Post by am on Apr 23, 2015 13:51:34 GMT
What is appropriate advice depends on your circumstances. So nobody can say whether you're on the right lines just from a list of platforms you either like or dislike, or even if you should be investing in p2p at all.
If you say what you like or dislike about the platforms people can comment on your evaluation.
Ratesetter and Wellesley (mostly) address different asset classes, but otherwise seem to me to be rather similar - relatively low yielding, primary risk is failure of the platform, mainline product illiquid, but with liquid (until they aren't_ products (Monthly Access vs Thirty Day Notice) yielding just a bit more than a Santander current account. So why do you prefer Wellesley to RateSetter?
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Post by JamesFrance on Apr 23, 2015 15:46:58 GMT
If there was an obvious best site we would all be just using that one. It's all about personal opinion and most of us here are not qualified to give advice and don't want to give some of our money to people who are.
It's probably better to read all the topics about a site which interests you and then decide for yourself having absorbed as many opinions as possible.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
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Post by markr on Apr 23, 2015 16:26:28 GMT
Another consideration with a lump sum is diversification and speed of lending. For Ratesetter diversification isn't important and you can get a lump lent immediately, similarly Wellesley re-distribute your lump over their whole portfolio. For most of the P2B sites (Funding Circle, Rebuilding Society, Assetz, etc) you would need to use the secondary markets to build a well diversified portfolio, which is OK but generally the deals on the secondary market might not be as good since there's usually a markup. The deal flow on some sites (Saving Stream springs to mind) is just too slow to build a sensible portfolio with a lump sum. For some (House Croud, Thin Cats) the minimum bid rules them out for "smaller" investments. To be honest, I'm not sure why you've ruled out Ratesetter; they have perhaps the highest rates of the "fire and forget" type platforms at the moment, but do watch the exit fees if you think you may need to withdraw early (it's better to invest in the shorter markets than withdraw early from the longer ones so plan carefully). Funding Circle's short term property loans aren't bad either, IMHO (although I think MHO may be a minority one), if you think you may want your capital back within 2-3 years, especially the cashback ones or discounted ones on the secondary market.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 23, 2015 17:02:17 GMT
adrianc I just had a quick look, don't quite have enough money to diversify as much as I'd want to as it seems the minimum bid would be £1,000. With the few site I mentioned above you can deposit a small amount to start with. Also does seem riskier than what I have already looked at and returns are displayed on average so not a fixed amount each month that I can expect. The plan is to have some BtL property that I can gain from to save for the future but have a couple by the time I retire so my babies have a property each that I can pass on to them. At the moment I am starting with a very very small amount. A few thousand only I'm afraid. Sorry, perhaps I was a little unclear. Instead of saving in P2P towards buying a BtL, I'm suggesting investing in BtL-based P2P such as THC. If you're going to buy a BtL at some stage, you're going to need minimum 25% deposit. I don't know where in the country you are, but let's be honest - that's very unlikely to be less than <hand-wave> £15k - more is more likely. Then you're likely to want to invest IN the property before letting. Then you're going to need to keep a cash reserve whilst letting, to fund maintenance and - especially - mortgage payments during voids, and let's hope your tenant doesn't fail to pay, trash the place, then do a runner... And you can't get to be much more of a diversity criminal than putting a HUGE chunk of your total wealth in a single property. Owning a BtL is not necessarily the route to wealth and passive income many hope - it can be a mess of pain and poor returns. Equally, the housing market - well, who wouldn't want a chunk of those potential growth figures? If this isn't the top of a bubble, with price slumps and negative equity ahead... Do the sums. Then do 'em again. And again, but this time with pessimism. What's the yield? Now, what's the yield after management fees/maintenance/voids/service charges/mortgage payments/etc etc...?
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Post by jumpingjackflash on Apr 23, 2015 18:34:12 GMT
Zopa very solid - does what it says on the tin. Might be worth a look at Landbay - they are P2P buy to let mortgages - I have some in their tracker and seems quite liquid - earns interest straight away and withdrawals are processed quickly with no fees...
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Post by mv on Apr 23, 2015 18:52:09 GMT
If you are not risk adverse...
Register with saving stream. Wait for a property bridging loan with a fair valuation and decent LTV and put all your money in. 12% interest. A (admittedly not big) provision fund. Good liquidity- easy to sell on SM.
BW
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Post by mikes1531 on Apr 23, 2015 23:19:35 GMT
To be honest, I'm not sure why you've ruled out Ratesetter; they have perhaps the highest rates of the "fire and forget" type platforms at the moment, but do watch the exit fees if you think you may need to withdraw early (it's better to invest in the shorter markets than withdraw early from the longer ones so plan carefully). I'm not in RS. I started in P2P before they did, so I started with Zopa. I've taken most of my investment out of Zopa and moved it to the higher-rate, probably higher risk, segment (AC/SS/FS). But if I were starting in the unsecured personal loan segment of the market now, I think I'd go with RS rather than Z. Yes, the RS exit fees are something to be aware of, but I don't agree with markr's parenthetical remark above. AIUI, the exit fees are designed to take away the apparent advantage of investing in longer-term loans and then leaving early. I.e if you invest in 5-year loans and then exit after three years the fee should be the difference between the 5-year rate and the 3-year rate times three years times the amount withdrawn. If you need to withdraw everything then you should be no worse off than if you had opted for 3-year loans in the first place. But if it turns out that at least some of your money does stay invested for the full five years then you will end up better off than if you had been in 3-year loans all the time. If my understanding of this is wrong, I do hope someone who knows better will set the record straight. PS. My understanding seems to be wrong. See comment immediately below from am. Note to self: Restrict comments to subjects about which knowledge is better.
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Post by am on Apr 24, 2015 7:52:18 GMT
As I understand the costs of exiting a position is RS are threefold
1) 1.5% exit fee. 2) the difference between what you've earned, and what you would have earned on the shorter period product. 3) market rate adjustment
The last is the potential killer - if you lent at 5% and the current rate is 6% that (if I understand correctly) leads to a 20% capital writedown. I haven't looked into all the details as to how the market rate adjustment works. If the interest rates move in the opposite direction do you get a capital gain? If you sell out a 5 year position after 2 years is it sold as a 5 year position or a 3 year position? How does the market rate adjustment interact with the daily variation of several tenths of a percent in market rates?
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Post by uncletone on Apr 24, 2015 8:09:26 GMT
... but I don't agree with markr's parenthetical remark above. Five bonus points for "parenthetical", grasshopper.
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Post by elljay on Apr 24, 2015 14:06:04 GMT
What can they be cashed in for, Uncle?
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