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PBL23
May 7, 2015 18:47:31 GMT
Post by zzr600 on May 7, 2015 18:47:31 GMT
Well, this should have been paid yesterday?
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rogerbu
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PBL23
May 8, 2015 10:16:56 GMT
Post by rogerbu on May 8, 2015 10:16:56 GMT
Well, this should have been paid yesterday? Stony silence from SS! Is there an issue?
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oldgrumpy
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PBL23
May 8, 2015 10:42:34 GMT
Post by oldgrumpy on May 8, 2015 10:42:34 GMT
I expect it will be mentioned in today's weekly update ... if that appears today.
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PBL23
May 9, 2015 15:08:14 GMT
Post by mikes1531 on May 9, 2015 15:08:14 GMT
I expect it will be mentioned in today's weekly update ... if that appears today. I've seen no sign of one. Has anyone else? Well, this should have been paid yesterday? Based on the 'Remaining Term' info, yes. In the last update (28/Apr), however, SS were expecting repayment before the BH weekend. So it looks like SS have been stood up by a borrower -- yet again!
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PBL23
May 9, 2015 15:29:48 GMT
Post by oldgrumpy on May 9, 2015 15:29:48 GMT
"I've seen no sign of one. Has anyone else?"
The sponsor t'dog email says the update is to be posted on Monday.
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Post by rogerbu on May 10, 2015 13:09:27 GMT
I took a look at PBL023 this morning, what I saw did not fill me with confidence. (see LH photo above) It is clearly still a building site. With blockwork & sand etc on the drive, so obviously the works are still at an early stage. So much for a 1-3 month maximum before an 'agreed' mortgage were in place! I know it is a Sunday, but the building site looked almost derelict, no sign of any recent activity, and little or no security for the building materials lying around. There is no chance that the work will be completed anytime soon. I would guess at least another 6 months at their current rate of progress. There is absolutely no chance that the property will increase in value to £350K. Nearby is another similar property looking very much better with similar internal specs to PBL023 and that has an asking price of £260K. See other photo and Zoopla. If the property were repossessed and sold at auction in its current state, we could expect about £150-170K after costs So in summary. Expect at least another six months (probably more) before the borrower can get a standard mortgage big enough to repay us anything. Additional interest looks suspect and we may eventually be facing a loss as the real LTV after costs is probably >100
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sqh
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PBL23
May 10, 2015 15:35:29 GMT
Post by sqh on May 10, 2015 15:35:29 GMT
I took a look at PBL023 this morning, what I saw did not fill me with confidence. (see LH photo above) It is clearly still a building site. With blockwork & sand etc on the drive, so obviously the works are still at an early stage. So much for a 1-3 month maximum before an 'agreed' mortgage were in place! I know it is a Sunday, but the building site looked almost derelict, no sign of any recent activity, and little or no security for the building materials lying around. There is no chance that the work will be completed anytime soon. I would guess at least another 6 months at their current rate of progress. There is absolutely no chance that the property will increase in value to £350K. Nearby is another similar property looking very much better with similar internal specs to PBL023 and that has an asking price of £260K. See other photo and Zoopla. If the property were repossessed and sold at auction in its current state, we could expect about £150-170K after costs So in summary. Expect at least another six months (probably more) before the borrower can get a standard mortgage big enough to repay us anything. Additional interest looks suspect and we may eventually be facing a loss as the real LTV after costs is probably >100 I don't think you are comparing like with like. PBL023 is a 4 bed and the other one is 3 bed.
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mikes1531
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PBL23
May 10, 2015 17:21:20 GMT
Post by mikes1531 on May 10, 2015 17:21:20 GMT
There is absolutely no chance that the property will increase in value to £350K. Nearby is another similar property looking very much better with similar internal specs to PBL023 and that has an asking price of £260K. See other photo and Zoopla. If the property were repossessed and sold at auction in its current state, we could expect about £150-170K after costs So in summary. Expect at least another six months (probably more) before the borrower can get a standard mortgage big enough to repay us anything. Additional interest looks suspect and we may eventually be facing a loss as the real LTV after costs is probably >100 I can't comment about the idea of a £350k value, but unless the interior is a disaster zone I'd have thought that a developer would be happy to buy the place at >£200k, finish the refurbishment, and make a nice profit if it could be sold for something approaching £250k.
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PBL23
May 10, 2015 17:21:42 GMT
Post by pepperpot on May 10, 2015 17:21:42 GMT
Also, don't forget the provision fund, I think there's unlikely to be any loss to holders of this relatively small loan.
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PBL23
May 11, 2015 9:53:46 GMT
Post by locutus on May 11, 2015 9:53:46 GMT
Also, don't forget the provision fund, I think there's unlikely to be any loss to holders of this relatively small loan. But it may serve to highlight a flaw in the methodology that SS use to value property and set LTVs. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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May 11, 2015 14:45:41 GMT
Post by rogerbu on May 11, 2015 14:45:41 GMT
I was wrong. PBL023 was fully repaid, including the additional interest, today.
Sorry if my visual site report worried anyone.
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May 11, 2015 23:27:15 GMT
Post by mikes1531 on May 11, 2015 23:27:15 GMT
I was wrong. PBL023 was fully repaid, including the additional interest, today. Sorry if my visual site report worried anyone. We need to bear in mind that we're lending to SS and they're lending to the borrower. They have indicated that they have a fair amount of working capital that enables them to make loans first and then offer parts in those loans to us. But this also works at the redemption end of these loans' timescale. Yes, they may have received repayment from the PBL023 borrower. But there's also, IMHO, a significant probability that they have decided to use some of their working capital to repay us lenders, which gives them the opportunity to deal with a defaulting borrower as they wish, with none of their lenders asking awkward questions as we can see happening on other platforms. There's also the matter of the timing of the release of PBL032. Is it just a coincidence that PBL023 repaid just in time for SS investors to transfer their money from PBL023 to PBL032? I expect this convenient timing helped ensure that PBL032 would be fully funded in a hurry, which makes the platform look good. I do sometimes wonder why they didn't do something like that on PBL007. Perhaps they didn't have sufficient working capital available at the time that one came due. And now that they've given us as much info about the recovery procedure as they have, there might be eyebrows raised if the loan magically was paid off very quickly. Food for thought, eh?
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Post by savingstream on May 12, 2015 8:05:25 GMT
Hi mikes1531, you are correct, we could have repaid PBL007 from company funds and dealt with the disposal privately. However we wanted to demonstrate the disposal process publicly, to promote investor confidence. To show that even in the event of a borrower default, the security can be disposed of and investor’s capital returned.
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