ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on May 26, 2015 16:59:33 GMT
Does anyone else have concerns that AC seem to be very lax in keeping up to date with monitoring whats happening with a significant number of loans?
There is an update today on #96 Manc Comm which reveals that, due to prolonged illness, the borrower hasnt apparently done anything about the redevelopment of the site which would allow a refinance of our facility & is now seeking to extend the loan for a further 12 months. (About a month to sort until it defaults - realistic?) This is, it would appear, is the first time that lenders, and indeed possibly AC, have become aware of these issues, despite lenders pushing for an update since early Feb.
What about #26 which has had repeated late payments due to cashflow issues but again, despite repeated requests from lenders, AC have been unable to arrange a meeting with the borrower over the last 4 months (nearly 5 now) and we have absolutely no idea what the true position is.
There are in fact 10 loans where there has been no update for over 6 months which I find slightly concerning. Are AC actually monitoring these loans or as payments are being made everything is assumed to be OK? There are probably more where the update is just a A to a Q & there is no evidence that AC are actually in contact with the borrower or monitoring the loan.
Time for a full review of the entire loan book?
Edit: bit disingenuous to borrower on #96 who has done some of the conversion work, est 3 months to complete.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 21:02:21 GMT
Hi, This is my first post so please feel free to tell me if I am way wide of the mark!
I totally agree that AC's monitoring leaves much to be desired - I would go so far as to say that it is so lax that it often amounts to negligence.
In each credit report there are pages of Terms, Condition and Covenants, all of which impose obligations on the borrower to do or refrain from doing specific things. This is all supposed to be monitored by AC, often on a monthly basis, but in my experience this very rarely happens and if the borrower fails to comply AC seem to prefer to pretend that nothing is going seriously wrong.
The number of loans that are now in default or untradeable might not now be so large if AC took a tough line with regard to monitoring. At the moment it seems that, as long as lenders are willing to fund loans, that clearly carry more risk than is being openly admitted to by AC, then they,(AC), are not worried when these default because they have already made their profit. In truth the lenders are being treated, just like "lambs to the slaughter," in the AC business model.
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Post by bugs4me on May 26, 2015 21:21:18 GMT
Does anyone else have concerns that AC seem to be very lax in keeping up to date with monitoring whats happening with a significant number of loans? There is an update today on #96 Manc Comm which reveals that, due to prolonged illness, the borrower hasnt apparently done anything about the redevelopment of the site which would allow a refinance of our facility & is now seeking to extend the loan for a further 12 months. (About a month to sort until it defaults - realistic?) This is, it would appear, is the first time that lenders, and indeed possibly AC, have become aware of these issues, despite lenders pushing for an update since early Feb. What about #26 which has had repeated late payments due to cashflow issues but again, despite repeated requests from lenders, AC have been unable to arrange a meeting with the borrower over the last 4 months (nearly 5 now) and we have absolutely no idea what the true position is. There are in fact 10 loans where there has been no update for over 6 months which I find slightly concerning. Are AC actually monitoring these loans or as payments are being made everything is assumed to be OK? There are probably more where the update is just a A to a Q & there is no evidence that AC are actually in contact with the borrower or monitoring the loan. Time for a full review of the entire loan book? IIRC loan monitoring (or a lack of it) has been mentioned before but cannot lay my hands on the post assuming it has been raised before and isn't a figment of my imagination. The problem with #96 is that interest was retained at drawdown so unless the illness of the borrower was reported to AC then on paper everything was fine. What does seem to be apparent is that when a problem does surface it seems to take everyone by surprise whereas of course often there is a build up of events over a period of time which, if spotted could have avoided the final problem. Often this leads to default and whilst default interest is always a nice 'bonus' it is still only on paper and has to be collected. Any default interest I'm due I've mentally written off. So there is more and more of an incentive for lenders to dispose of their holdings before the end of term which is not a satisfactory situation IMO. In a few instances, possibly a different approach could have been taken before the loan defaulted. A new loan perhaps, an extension at standard rate. Problem is once the loan is allowed to move into the distressed column then any leeway seems to go with it. But that's how AC operate so I guess we either accept it or move on.
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Post by agent69 on May 26, 2015 21:49:28 GMT
Does anyone else have concerns that AC seem to be very lax in keeping up to date with monitoring whats happening with a significant number of loans? One of the things I like about TC is that the sponsors take a proactive approach to loan monitoring, which provides an additional layer of due dil in the overall process.
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Post by andrewholgate on May 26, 2015 22:21:02 GMT
Thank you all for the comments about the monitoring. I have noted all of them and have comments to make below.
Before that, I want to make a few comments about what we have been doing in recent weeks to improve our systems and processes. The credit team has been increased and we have more people to follow. We now have more people in place whose sole responsibility it is to chase for management information and ensure covenants are monitored. As of this morning there were only 3 businesses in which MI was overdue, and in one of those cases the borrower has recently lost their son. Under treating customers fairly, we are obviously ensuring that we give the borrower some time and space at a very difficult time. The other two are being chased.
We have also looked at the way we report information to lenders. We are, and remain, one of the most transparent platforms in the industry. This opens us up to your scrutiny more than any other platform out there. We give you more information on the loan than any other platform and are also actively encouraging your participation. In some cases this has led to snipes and nasty comments on the Q&A, but in general your questions have been good. Where we can do better is in the timely nature of updates and in the tone of how we respond. That will change in the coming weeks.
In terms of T&Cs in the loan documents, yes there are various conditions in there that must be met and we do not have a single loan in breach of the covenants.
On the specific loans mentioned:
- 26 - The payments are up to date. Whilst they have been late, they have always been made good before a formal default can be declared and it seems to be due to not matching the repayment date to the business cash flows. Until the customer misses the formal deadline for failure to make a repayment under the Terms and Conditions, we cannot enforce a default. A meeting (or failure to meet) is not a condition of the loan. We could try material adverse change clause, but I'm not sure a Court would uphold that as a claim just on the basis they won't meet. While payments are made within the allotted time frame, we cannot default the loan.
- 96 - The news of the illness is recent to us and was not evident on site visit. If the customer didn't tell us and it wasn't apparent then unfortunately there is nothing we can do. As the interest was retained on drawdown, payments are up to date. There is no default clause for illness unless you want us to try on material adverse change, but again I doubt a Court would uphold that one. If lenders don't want to renew the loan, then we will get a default. Ball will be in your court on that one.
- 10 loans without updates. I will get those actioned, but may take me 7-10 days to get all of them done.
I refute the statement that we are lax in our monitoring or that we are failing to do that job adequately. In fact, adequately suggests a lax approach and we are doing a more than adequate job. I am satisfied on all cases they we have taken every step necessary to keep loans under review, and I even undertook an extensive review on the South Coast loan. In that case, external trading events took place after the MI we had and only became apparent when the next batch was due. Unless we train the team in ESP or we sit in each business, some events will come as a surprise.
I'm not going to make further comments on this. Part of the reason I have been quite on the forum is I have been concentrating heavily on improving the business. I, personally, am well aware of our lenders focusing on protecting their investment. I know we have to communicate with you better, but please be assured we are on top of this but expect improvements to come in the coming weeks. I will add to that, this won't be a miraculous overnight improvement, so don't go expecting nirvana just yet.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on May 26, 2015 22:51:59 GMT
I'm not going to make further comments on this. Part of the reason I have been quite on the forum is I have been concentrating heavily on improving the business. I, personally, am well aware of our lenders focusing on protecting their investment. I know we have to communicate with you better, but please be assured we are on top of this but expect improvements to come in the coming weeks. I will add to that, this won't be a miraculous overnight improvement, so don't go expecting nirvana just yet. Ok, thanks for taking the time at this late hour to respond. I think there are issues that need addressing & hopefully the additional staff will result in the promised improvements. If you can sort out the communication & the annoying minor IT niggles then I suspect much of lenders frustrations will be placated.
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Post by andrewholgate on May 26, 2015 23:33:50 GMT
I'm not going to make further comments on this. Part of the reason I have been quite on the forum is I have been concentrating heavily on improving the business. I, personally, am well aware of our lenders focusing on protecting their investment. I know we have to communicate with you better, but please be assured we are on top of this but expect improvements to come in the coming weeks. I will add to that, this won't be a miraculous overnight improvement, so don't go expecting nirvana just yet. Ok, thanks for taking the time at this late hour to respond. I think there are issues that need addressing & hopefully the additional staff will result in the promised improvements. If you can sort out the communication & the annoying minor IT niggles then I suspect much of lenders frustrations will be placated. All noted and I am working hard to get these sorted (hence still working some 18 hours after I started!)
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Post by bigfoot12 on May 27, 2015 7:46:10 GMT
One of the things I like about TC is that the sponsors take a proactive approach to loan monitoring, which provides an additional layer of due dil in the overall process. At the risk of going slightly off topic I disagree. I would say that some sponsors take a proactive approach and are very good, but some are not. I would say that too much is left to the sponsors and so mistakes made by one sponsor are not learned by the platform. And fundamentally the sponsors are the borrowers agent which worries me. I have been withdrawing from TC for a while and continue to do so. I will re-asses this once their new platform launches.
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Post by clg45 on May 29, 2015 7:37:16 GMT
I am pleased to see AC are now getting more involved and seem to see the importance of Monitoring and updating loans more closely. Reading q&a on the various loans on the AC website, keeping lenders updated seems to be one of the main issues the lenders have. I look forward to reading more frequent updates on the website!
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Post by kermie on May 29, 2015 11:54:33 GMT
I am pleased to see AC are now getting more involved and seem to see the importance of Monitoring and updating loans more closely. Reading q&a on the various loans on the AC website, keeping lenders updated seems to be one of the main issues the lenders have. I look forward to reading more frequent updates on the website! This is true, and I've noticed a distinct increase in "beat rate" of updates over the past few weeks. Whilst this is to be encouraged, it does, however consume ever more time following the updates - a particular issue if you have a day-job like me! :-( I'd really like to be able to "subscribe" ("follow?") a particular loan to receive updates (alerts!) to save further time. The new "last update" column is very useful, but when you have a wide portfolio of AC loans, it's still an hour-long slog each day to catch up on the latest events. If the alerting functionality is some way off from go-Live ( chris :-)) then perhaps a single "live updates" page would suffice - this page would list (most recent first) (a) recent activity, (b) QnA, and (c) changes to expected drawdown for ALL loans in reverse chronological order - so you only need to check the top of the page each time you visit. In fact, both alerts and a "live updates" page would be useful.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 12:43:46 GMT
Good response from AC, for me the critical issue remains that you are hitting the wall of trying to grow the business and develop multiple income streams at the same time as keeping in touch with us and as a result are being stretched too thin. Glad to see you have brought in more hires. I've always felt that great businesses need to push the boundaries a bit.
It is fair to say that 1) your software does not give me any nasty shocks 2) your failed loans tended to have something "a bit odd" from the start and careful selection is required on your portfolio 3) sometimes things are not managed well, the re-finance of the care home in Lancashire jumps to mind, just because I think the deal was clear 4) timings are always too optimistic
Keep up the good work.
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Post by upland on Jun 1, 2015 7:59:22 GMT
I have just opened an account here and will be participating as soon as I have managed to add some money to the account.
I think that it cannot be emphasised enough how important it is that a loan does pay out all of what it should. As I see it the selling point with AC will be that it manages the problems better. If it does not then I shall put more with FC in the end as I believe their greater volume leads to a more predictable outcome.
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Post by marek63 on Jul 2, 2015 16:15:16 GMT
A little worried that another interest buffer loan 'n**** l***** cp' has just been flagged as in default with three missed payments. The worry of how many more of these exist in this 'buffered' state will be upsetting my sleep pattern for a while.
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Post by Maestro on Jul 2, 2015 17:25:06 GMT
A little worried that another interest buffer loan 'n**** l***** cp' has just been flagged as in default with three missed payments. The worry of how many more of these exist in this 'buffered' state will be upsetting my sleep pattern for a while. I agree. It might be a coincidence but even more worrying is the fact that small amount of loan appeared on secondary market a few days before suspension and I ended up taking a small bite. This is the second time this has happened to me in the last few weeks (L***s cp). Anyone else noticed this?
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 2, 2015 20:16:03 GMT
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