stevio
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Post by stevio on Aug 4, 2015 18:28:39 GMT
I completely admit I am a novice here, so don't shoot the messenger, but I have been checking out various P2P websites, particularly secure lending, but I was surprised at the relatively high level of loans in default at Assetz Capital. Now I don't work for a competing P2P or have any affiliation, but just noting an observation. Yes, this is only my second post, but I hope to get more involved as I invest more in P2P. Maybe other sites are able to hide the defaulted loans better, but it does stand out at Assetz Capital because the loans show up as 'paused'. Just wondering if this was normal and anyone else has noticed this.
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Post by chielamangus on Aug 4, 2015 18:38:59 GMT
Paused loans are not defaulted or bad debt. It just means they are behind with their repayments (or are about to repay the entire loan). Sometimes borrowers are able to catch up, sometimes not. In the latter case, the SECURITY is sold to repay lenders. How many other P2P sites do that?
I think you will find on closer examination that AC offers one of the best return/risk investments in the market.
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stevio
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Post by stevio on Aug 4, 2015 19:43:46 GMT
DEFINITION of 'Default' 1. The failure to promptly pay interest or principal when due. Default occurs when a debtor is unable to meet the legal obligation of debt repayment. Borrowers may default when they are unable to make the required payment or are unwilling to honor the debt. 24 other P2P lenders securing loans against property www.4thway.co.uk/candid-opinion/property-peer-to-peer-lending/
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Post by chris on Aug 4, 2015 20:15:01 GMT
DEFINITION of 'Default' 1. The failure to promptly pay interest or principal when due. Default occurs when a debtor is unable to meet the legal obligation of debt repayment. Borrowers may default when they are unable to make the required payment or are unwilling to honor the debt. 24 other P2P lenders securing loans against property www.4thway.co.uk/candid-opinion/property-peer-to-peer-lending/That's the more recent hijacking of the term Default by others in the P2P industry. Technically a default is any breach of contract, which could include things like the LTV of the property moving outside a defined range even if the repayments are fully up to date. Other platforms have focussed on default rates as for the most part a default for them is usually followed by a loss. The (financial) industry standard way to view things is a combination of Probability of Default and the Loss Given Default. Our PoD may be higher than our competitors but the LGD is lower due to the strength of security in a typical loan. Last year we had zero losses and this year we're predicting around a 0.5% loss. This is on the back of well over 10% average returns in both years. As a made up example if your PoD is 10% but your LGD is 5%, your actual losses should be 0.5%. Whereas if your PoD is 4% but your LGD is 50% then your losses would be 2%, four times higher despite the theoretically better default rate.
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sqh
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Post by sqh on Aug 4, 2015 20:44:28 GMT
DEFINITION of 'Default' 1. The failure to promptly pay interest or principal when due. Default occurs when a debtor is unable to meet the legal obligation of debt repayment. Borrowers may default when they are unable to make the required payment or are unwilling to honor the debt. 24 other P2P lenders securing loans against property www.4thway.co.uk/candid-opinion/property-peer-to-peer-lending/The banner can be misleading, but it doesn't say "in default", it says "trading suspended" and previously said "investment paused". Sometimes loans display the banner because monthly payment is made in advance of payment date. Another reason might be that the interest buffer is running low and needs topping up, technically you could define them as being "in surplus". Actually, that means many of the loans are in surplus but it's not displayed as such.
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Post by geoffrey on Aug 15, 2015 11:51:18 GMT
I am very wary of lending on loans where all the principal is to be paid back as the last payment, with regular payments being interest only. In principle, I feel these loans are very susceptible to last-minute failure either because a redevelopment project overruns (as they all do), or because a property couldn't be sold, or just because the borrower never intended to pay back the capital on time. There used to be more amortizing loans on AC, and I feel AC should put strong pressure on borrowers to take out amortizing loans rather than interest only, helping to spread risk across the life of the loan. Maybe lower rates could be charged for amortizing loans to encourage responsible repayment... I know these are businesses, not punters who need protecting from themselves, but human nature is human nature...
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Post by pikestaff on Aug 16, 2015 6:08:14 GMT
I don't regard late repayment of a development loan or a bridging loan as "failure". They are interest-only for a reason, and it's par for the course that many will over-run. More generally I am not troubled by loans with no or limited amortisation where the intended exit route is by a sale or refinancing and the exit LTV is comfortable. For me it comes down to the quality of the security on offer.
By and large, full amortisation is more suited to business loans where the loan is to be repaid from trading profits. There aren't a great many of those on AC. I'd like there to be more.
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