star dust
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Post by star dust on Aug 6, 2015 17:47:13 GMT
I know we are only a fraction of SS's 4000+ investors, but to help with their consideration's of loan capping. I thought I'd give a poll a go. Going against the ethos (keep it simple) the poll is a bit complicated to allow for a range of options and possibilities, but I have deliberately not given a choice of loan cap lengths as I regard the principle as more imperative. Vote for everything you agree with.
it's my first poll, so I hope it's not a pear shaped one.
Edit: the final option isn't for an ageing 'rock' band!
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dp
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Post by dp on Aug 7, 2015 9:31:07 GMT
Voted
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sam i am
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Post by sam i am on Aug 7, 2015 10:10:50 GMT
As far as I'm concerned, making the site more robust during peak demand is by far the most important issue. If this is sorted then some of the other issues may become less important. I wonder how much of the current demand for loan capping is down to the difficulties of getting into the site when a loan is launched? We need to tackle the disease first rather than the symptoms. Then the discussion becomes one about 'fairness' and avoids distortions due to system limitations.
But even as things are, I'm still a big fan of SS.
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Post by nickthefool on Aug 7, 2015 11:05:05 GMT
I agree that the site needs to be able to cope with the demand.
The issue of giving everyone a fair chance to be involved in every loan is not one that I expect will concern SS too much, and I imagine that as long as they can continue to offer the great rates that they currently do, and continue to avoid defaults that result in loss of interest and/or capital, they will have a long queue of people wanting to invest.
Lenders clearly want to invest a lot more in the site than they currently are, and until that imbalance is resolved (the most obvious way seems to be by bringing in more loans), some people will end up unhappy - either people who couldn't get online quickly enough to invest (status quo), or people who were online but were limited to investing a fraction of what they wanted to (if some sort of cap is introduced).
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Post by am on Aug 7, 2015 13:40:59 GMT
AC's system of targets seems to work reasonably well (the problem with AC is depositing cash before drawdown occurs - this may well be more severe with SS), though some adjustments would probably be needed (AC provides documents well in advance of loans going live).
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Post by davex on Aug 7, 2015 14:12:32 GMT
Like the idea of more advanced notice, but do not understand why anybody would want capped loans.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 7, 2015 14:19:27 GMT
Like the idea of more advanced notice, but do not understand why anybody would want capped loans. So they get a chance to participate. Even with notice not everyone is able to be free during work hours.
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Post by scraggs on Aug 7, 2015 17:19:47 GMT
Advance notice with the site as it is will only make yesterdays problems worse I feel. There is really nothing wrong with things how they are imo, but the server issues really do need to be sorted out.
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Post by star dust on Aug 9, 2015 17:23:10 GMT
Have to say I was kinda assuming the server issue would be sorted (in the not too distant future). Looks like advance notification (even if not time specific) is popular, and some sort of capping has a majority so far.
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Post by Investor on Aug 9, 2015 18:05:36 GMT
As long as people can accept that this will delay the launch of loans. Is SS have to give a definitive release date/time they will have to have had all the relevant paperwork completed before they give notification. I much prefer release immediately once they have everything ready to go, appreciate this causes a scrum but the load on the servers will be MUCH worse if they give a specific start time. Hence why some form of capping (even first two hours) may be beneficial.
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Post by chrisf on Aug 9, 2015 18:17:07 GMT
Like the idea of more advanced notice, but do not understand why anybody would want capped loans. Duh
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Post by james on Aug 9, 2015 19:04:17 GMT
davex, the point of capping is to give more people the chance to participate, by limiting how much can be bought initially by each investor. Among other things that would give those who work nights or who can't do personal things during daytime working more chances to participate. It's a form of rationing that's useful while there is more investor demand than loan supply, one which can relieve pressure on a platform to take loans that they would prefer not to take, by cutting down dramatically on the number of lender customers who are disappointed by not participating. A further positive effect is that it reduces the surge demand on servers at the platform by eliminating the the huge initial rush to get in before a loan fills. That gets deferred instead to the time when any cap is removed, if there's still money available to invest at that point, but with far fewer likely to participate at that time because many will already be satisfied. A negative aspect is that those with more money to invest can become frustrated and might not consider it worthwhile to invest for the duration of a cap.
If the caps are such that a loan doesn't fill for say 24 hours I doubt that most would care much about notice because the time to fill would do effectively the same job. Notice but no cap is likely to be favoured by those who want to invest much more money than a cap and who are also able to invest during SavingStream's normal working hours.
If pre-announcing an early to mid evening start time may well be best. Many daytime workers should be home at that time and able to participate even if they can't do personal things at work and it's likely to be before many night workers start work. Trying to start on different days can help with those working shift patterns.
In general I favour caps and perhaps eventually queues as well because they satisfy the largest possible number of investors, even if eventually most might end up with less participation than they might want. At least such a situation improves lender diversification, vs the "hurray, I got her in time, I'll bid all I can to make up for the ones I didn't get" or "this platform is a waste of time because I can never get into loans" alternatives.
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Post by webwiz on Aug 9, 2015 19:28:24 GMT
Perhaps the worst feature of the current scrum system is that in order to get any of the loan one has to forgo any DD. This blind investing cannot be good. When something inevitably goes wrong eventually people will feel mislead. Therefore posting details in advance is top priority, but I would also like to see some measure of capping, though the cap should be high, say £10K (well that's high in my book).
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Post by james on Aug 9, 2015 21:36:48 GMT
Agree about due diligence. While SavingStream have to be relied on to do most of that individual investors will or won't like particular loans. A secondary market helps since it's likely to be possible to sell loans that fill quickly. It doesn't take notice to give investors a chance to check, just time enough to decide without feeling rushed to commit.
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