grahamg
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Post by grahamg on Aug 19, 2015 10:28:25 GMT
Hi
As a newbee to FC
How does anyone manage to create and maintain a decent loan spreadsheet with additional info given the inmited info on the export sheets, am i missing something?
"Loans" seems to be sorted alphabetically , but I can't figure out what the sort order is for "loan parts" and new items just appear randomly in the list.
You can't even sort on loan number as that's in the text field with the description. So there is no way to easily find and add new loans to a spreadsheet.
Oh and don't even talk about monitoring exposure as the company names are not included or even in the loanbook.
Seems FC IT skills are minimal with regard to what investors need !
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Post by SteveT on Aug 19, 2015 11:41:31 GMT
I have an Excel workbook for each of my accounts. In one sheet I record each of my new auction purchases (once they actually draw down); loan ID, rate band, loan size, top rate, my rate, whether it closed early, any CB and some basic categories (property vs SME, etc). Into another sheet I copy and paste a daily extract of my loan parts from the Faintly Credible website. I can then track how old each loan is, when and how much I need to sell, how much has sold, etc. Excel's Autofilter and Sort functions then allow me to look at my loan portfolio through any filters I care to set. Pretty basic but it works for me.
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Post by registerme on Aug 19, 2015 11:53:58 GMT
I have an Excel workbook for each of my accounts. In one sheet I record each of my new auction purchases (once they actually draw down); loan ID, rate band, loan size, top rate, my rate, whether it closed early, any CB and some basic categories (property vs SME, etc). Into another sheet I copy and paste a daily extract of my loan parts from the Faintly Credible website. I can then track how old each loan is, when and how much I need to sell, how much has sold, etc. Excel's Autofilter and Sort functions then allow me to look at my loan portfolio through any filters I care to set. Pretty basic but it works for me. Unfortunately I'd just come to the conclusion that I need to do the same. I shouldn't really have to though, this is the kind of basic functionality that should be provided by the site.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Aug 19, 2015 16:02:07 GMT
I have LOTS of VBA functions for doing things like extracting loan numbers from the long strings they show up in, matching loan part numbers to loan numbers (that one is a doozy unless you keep on top of it, since Failing Cross-references provide no mapping table, so once you've lost sight of a loan part (eg you sold it, then the loan defaulted) the info has gone too); And cross referencing loan numbers to the loan page ID you need to look at the details (assuming you bid, so you are allowed to see them). Plus I archive information on the parts I bought and sold (since FC won't show you them in 'sold parts' if they have subsequently defaulted), plus lots more (ever changing) scripts to extract usable information from the Flowery Critters transaction reports.
As a result of all this joy I can usually tell them where the errors on my account arise. What I can't do is get them to actually fix them in the master database / transaction ledgers where absolutely every bid and drop out are recorded. Well not yet, anyway.
A lot of information is really hard to reconstruct if you don't record it (stuff like early closes, cashbacks, etc) and the downloadable loan book has got ever less useful over the years, to where I practically stopped bothering.
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Post by nick on Aug 19, 2015 21:27:49 GMT
I have LOTS of VBA functions for doing things like extracting loan numbers from the long strings they show up in, matching loan part numbers to loan numbers (that one is a doozy unless you keep on top of it, since Failing Cross-references provide no mapping table, so once you've lost sight of a loan part (eg you sold it, then the loan defaulted) the info has gone too); And cross referencing loan numbers to the loan page ID you need to look at the details (assuming you bid, so you are allowed to see them). Plus I archive information on the parts I bought and sold (since FC won't show you them in 'sold parts' if they have subsequently defaulted), plus lots more (ever changing) scripts to extract usable information from the Flowery Critters transaction reports. As a result of all this joy I can usually tell them where the errors on my account arise. What I can't do is get them to actually fix them in the master database / transaction ledgers where absolutely every bid and drop out are recorded. Well not yet, anyway. A lot of information is really hard to reconstruct if you don't record it (stuff like early closes, cashbacks, etc) and the downloadable loan book has got ever less useful over the years, to where I practically stopped bothering. Interesting. In respect of errors you have previously identified on your account, have any of these been large and/or systematic in nature? I ask since I long ago gave up trying scrutinise by account on a transaction by transaction level because of the volume on my account. I have ongoing large unreconciled difference between my reported account position and the sum of P&L and net cash deposited etc (the latter I assume being correct), but I wouldn't be the wiser if my account was significantly out if say cash back on a couple of qualifying loans was omitted or I receipts from a sale of a loan part wasn't recorded at all on either side of my reconciliation. Have come across any horrors that we should be wary of?
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Aug 20, 2015 19:51:43 GMT
The horrors have been discussed before (see the thread(s) about account discrepancies) .. however a summary .. .. basically 'stuck bids' where your bid drops out (or the auction is rejected) but the money doesn't get credited back**; double counting loan part sales, sometimes with only partial entries in the transaction log the second time (i.e. you get a credit for the capital, but not the accrued interest, or charged the fee, or whatever), similarly you can be charged for buying a part you never got. In a couple of cases I have sold 11 loan parts in an loan where the auction data shows I only bought 10 (although all 11 have viable numbers, so I assume a purchase got lost). There are probably (at Mr Lerner says, in his song about the elements) "others which have not yet been discarvvered".
** This was particularly prevalent if you bid in >£20 chunks, since if your bid gets cut down (because it is 'on the edge'), when it finally drops out, the credit got lost (presumably the system went and looked for the original £100 bid, and gave up in disgust when it couldn't find it .. or else it failed to look for the 'last £20 to get knocked out'). This could also happen on 'non round number' auctions, when even a £20 bid can get trimmed to £14, say, before getting thrown out .. the £14 was often then not released back to your account.
FC keep promising to be able to reconcile things properly, but don't seem to have delivered yet (non-delivery is one of their specialities IME).
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nick
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Post by nick on Sept 1, 2015 22:53:49 GMT
The horrors have been discussed before (see the thread(s) about account discrepancies) .. however a summary .. .. basically 'stuck bids' where your bid drops out (or the auction is rejected) but the money doesn't get credited back**; double counting loan part sales, sometimes with only partial entries in the transaction log the second time (i.e. you get a credit for the capital, but not the accrued interest, or charged the fee, or whatever), similarly you can be charged for buying a part you never got. In a couple of cases I have sold 11 loan parts in an loan where the auction data shows I only bought 10 (although all 11 have viable numbers, so I assume a purchase got lost). There are probably (at Mr Lerner says, in his song about the elements) "others which have not yet been discarvvered". ** This was particularly prevalent if you bid in >£20 chunks, since if your bid gets cut down (because it is 'on the edge'), when it finally drops out, the credit got lost (presumably the system went and looked for the original £100 bid, and gave up in disgust when it couldn't find it .. or else it failed to look for the 'last £20 to get knocked out'). This could also happen on 'non round number' auctions, when even a £20 bid can get trimmed to £14, say, before getting thrown out .. the £14 was often then not released back to your account. FC keep promising to be able to reconcile things properly, but don't seem to have delivered yet (non-delivery is one of their specialities IME). Very scary. Were the errors always on the cash balance side of the reconciliation, ie are the earnings/P&L reported generally correct in your experience? If not and there are typically errors in both the earning figures and on the cash balance then it becomes almost mission impossible to reconcile as there is no firm figure to reconcile against if that makes sense.....
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Sept 2, 2015 6:23:11 GMT
As you say, very hard to find errors in the reported profit number, since the only way to check that is to add up all the transactions, which we KNOW are wrong anyway. 8<.
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Post by jackpease on Apr 15, 2016 8:25:22 GMT
...dusting off an old thread on reconciling.... I can't see any newer thread on this? ? I am trying to reconcile my FC account - i've got 4,000+ loans so this is non-trivial. I asked FC why the tax statement numbers and the in/out totals and start year and end year totals don't match up and they merely answered that they are not going to add up because of cashbacks and other bits and pieces. Is it still the case that if i want to double check their workings i have to download 12 x monthly statements - each with over 7,000 excel lines on - and then play with it? thanks Jack P
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Post by adrianc on Apr 15, 2016 8:33:17 GMT
...dusting off an old thread on reconciling.... I can't see any newer thread on this? ? I am trying to reconcile my FC account - i've got 4,000+ loans so this is non-trivial. I asked FC why the tax statement numbers and the in/out totals and start year and end year totals don't match up and they merely answered that they are not going to add up because of cashbacks and other bits and pieces. Is it still the case that if i want to double check their workings i have to download 12 x monthly statements - each with over 7,000 excel lines on - and then play with it? If you don't trust their calculations, I'm not sure what other alternative you'd expect but to go back to the source figures and re-do the calculations.
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Post by jackpease on Apr 15, 2016 8:39:33 GMT
If you don't trust their calculations, I'm not sure what other alternative you'd expect but to go back to the source figures and re-do the calculations. One file for a financial year! Downloading 12 x spreadsheets is tiresome - especially if the outcome at the end of that is not assured. Do other people download 12 x spreadsheets - analyse - and come up with anything meaningful ie the end year start year money in and money out reconcile? Jack P
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Post by adrianc on Apr 15, 2016 8:45:31 GMT
If you don't trust their calculations, I'm not sure what other alternative you'd expect but to go back to the source figures and re-do the calculations. One file for a financial year! Downloading 12 x spreadsheets is tiresome - especially if the outcome at the end of that is not assured. Do other people download 12 x spreadsheets - analyse - and come up with anything meaningful ie the end year start year money in and money out reconcile? One file for a year would be nearly 100,000 lines for your account.
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Post by jackpease on Apr 15, 2016 11:24:02 GMT
Well it'd be good to hear if anyone else does this. I am nervous about starting the exercise as i can't see how i can get a meaningful answers with tens of thousands of lines of 1p servicing/interest fees - pounds to just two decimal places - multiply that up by tens of thousands will surely give me a meaningless answer? Jack P
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Post by goldservice on Apr 15, 2016 13:39:25 GMT
I sympathise. I used to have around 6,000 parts. I gave up trying to download the transaction files. It would usually fail to download even one month's file. It appears that one just has to trust Flaky Computing. I put my effort in to challenging the larger scale errors such as double sales.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Apr 15, 2016 20:42:08 GMT
I get FC to send me the transaction files which they alone can access, which turn out to have more data than the ones we can get (like settlement as well as commit date) .. but it still requires a ludicrous amount of 'suck it and see' to get 100k lines of purchases (by loan number) sales (by loanPART number) and interest payments / defaults (PART number again) and cashbacks (no hint of either loan OR part number) to actually add up. I threatened them with the big stick at one point, and they wrote me off a few quid. 8>.
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