ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 5, 2015 13:55:26 GMT
Investment instantly available for #123 NLCP Loan:
AMOUNT DISCOUNT
£1,505.76 -3.5% discount
£63,804.79 0.0% discount
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Post by oldgrumpy on Oct 5, 2015 14:16:43 GMT
Investment instantly available for #123 NLCP Loan: AMOUNT DISCOUNT £1,505.76 -3.5% discount £63,804.79 0.0% discount (No idea how to do screen shot on laptop so cut & paste job) ilmoroI found snipping tool in the all programmes>>> accessories in Windows 7. The icon can be put somewhere handy on the desktop or system tray and works brilliantly (but I do use a mouse!) Attachments:
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Post by chielamangus on Oct 5, 2015 15:39:51 GMT
Is it only me that finds these tiny discounts quite ridiculous? No shop would dream of advertising 1 per cent off, or even 3.5 per cent. These discounts make hardly any impact on the interest rate received on loans that are not in demand at the regular interest rate. If people were seriously interested in shifting the stuff, the discounts should be at least 10 per cent, and probably much higher.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Oct 5, 2015 15:47:48 GMT
Not really valid.
Shops which offer a "discount" of 10% or even 20% have probably already added a markup of 100%+, so are probably still making a good profit. As for those with a "permanent" 50%-70% discount (from an inlated original price) - who knows what they actually paid for their stock!? They don't do it to trade at a real loss. Sellers of these loan parts are offering a 1% discount on the price they have paid, and only do enough to be at/near the front of the queue to liquidise their holdings, and will make a loss.
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Post by marek63 on Oct 5, 2015 15:49:18 GMT
If a 1% discount gets you usually to the front of the queue vs the crowd of sales at 0% then that is fine. If there are buyers (eg the GBBA or the QAA) then they will buy 1% first which is great from a sellers view. I agree 1% is nonsense in real terms.
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Post by Butch Cassidy on Oct 5, 2015 15:53:55 GMT
Is it only me that finds these tiny discounts quite ridiculous? No shop would dream of advertising 1 per cent off, or even 3.5 per cent. These discounts make hardly any impact on the interest rate received on loans that are not in demand at the regular interest rate. If people were seriously interested in shifting the stuff, the discounts should be at least 10 per cent, and probably much higher. I disagree; it all depends on what underlying loan you are selling & why the discount needs to be applied. For example #45 Leeds is only to aid liquidity as the loan & security are pretty solid but buyers were driven away largely due to way AC mishandled it. I see the discount representing an upfront interest payment, so 3.5% equates to 3 months free interest making it a good buy IMHO. However I wouldn't buy the plumber at even 75% discount as I don't believe there will be any significant recovery (at least any time soon).
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 5, 2015 16:22:43 GMT
Is it only me that finds these tiny discounts quite ridiculous? No shop would dream of advertising 1 per cent off, or even 3.5 per cent. These discounts make hardly any impact on the interest rate received on loans that are not in demand at the regular interest rate. If people were seriously interested in shifting the stuff, the discounts should be at least 10 per cent, and probably much higher. Seems to be working though Leeds has already sold everything at 3.5% or more, some of NLCP has gone & MTF has emptied discounted pot a couple of times. Only first day on distressed stuff so case of trial & error. Besides who knows what will attract the self confessed rate tart
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Post by chielamangus on Oct 5, 2015 16:54:01 GMT
Well, it's nice to know there's lots of people out there who think 1 per cent discount is sufficient to change a no-buy to a buy situation. I'm suddenly optimistic about shifting a load of dead wood. And it's also really good to know that some think the security on #45 is rock solid. More rocky, methinks, than solid.
PS I sold some NLCP without a discount today so some people just like it anyway.
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Post by SteveT on Oct 5, 2015 18:02:12 GMT
PS I sold some NLCP without a discount today so some people just like it anyway. In which case, 3.5% discount is a relative bargain
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Oct 5, 2015 19:42:11 GMT
Is it only me that finds these tiny discounts quite ridiculous? No shop would.... <snip> I see some of this as practise for when it really matters, some people are finding out how the system works and what size discount is needed in different situations. I'm vaguely seeing how long it takes for things to sell, but it's about the same as it was under the previous discount system. Which is surprising as there are a lot more investors now, I guess they might be other using the other AC a/c's or are zombies or Intermediaries. I think it also gives an insight into how people think and act (or over react). When I picked up some Yorkshire Leisure @5% Discount it made wonder what the seller knew that I didn't, it turned out as: they probably knew nothing as some other parts went for a similar discount.
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Post by mikes1531 on Oct 6, 2015 2:47:34 GMT
Well, it's nice to know there's lots of people out there who think 1 per cent discount is sufficient to change a no-buy to a buy situation. chielamangus: You may be misinterpreting what's happening here. The 1% discount might not be changing any purchasing decisions. These loans probably have a small amount of purchasing happening every day. If a lender is trying to sell a small proportion of the total available they can either stay in the 'no discount' pool and hope their parts are the ones chosen to match the next buyer that comes along -- i.e. hope that lightning strikes -- or they can accept a 1% discount and be put at the front of the selling queue. Sounds to me like a very good reason to offer a small discount.
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Post by chielamangus on Oct 6, 2015 10:54:20 GMT
My view is that there is no great desire to sell the loan parts in question. People are happy with the security (happier than me). I wouldn't buy these loans even at 10 per cent discount. I think Ton ⓉⓞⓃ is right - people are feeling their way. I think one should also bear in mind that there is a lot of cash floating around looking for a home because of the lack of new loans and repayment of others. Why sell at this juncture when the cash has nowhere to go (except another platform)? But I do see some of these loans going at 10 per cent plus discount in the future. Meanwhile, I am very happy that a mere 1 per cent discount will shift my problem loans. We are heading into lottery country with some loans, perhaps like Kent, Ipswich, Epping & Anglesey. I exited those places when I saw the darkening clouds. Being a coward I always run for cover.
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Post by mikes1531 on Oct 6, 2015 11:34:21 GMT
My view is that there is no great desire to sell the loan parts in question. I don't agree. If there's a certain amount of buying activity happening anyway, then a lender merely has to be at the front of the selling queue to dispose of their parts. If a 1% discount is enough to get to the front of the queue then there's no reason at all to offer a higher discount. Having said that, though, if there's nobody buying and a lender wants to sell, then they'd have to offer a discount big enough to induce someone to buy. In that case, a much more substantial discount probably would be required.
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Post by chielamangus on Oct 6, 2015 14:27:59 GMT
We'll just have to disagree.
Your question on Nelson - I think you'll find that AC has got new funding sources and these will both underwrite and invest in new loans. Have no idea whether we will even be aware of the existence of the latter.
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