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Post by GSV3MIaC on Sept 25, 2015 15:28:35 GMT
Total new loans listed today, as far as I can see, amount to one <£13k B. So is everyone postponing their money needs until Monday, or are all the Fixed Coupon staff off being retrained to answer questions on the new regime? (I see the autobid page is still lying about what it does, not that I'd let it do anything for me).
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Post by blender on Sept 25, 2015 15:39:57 GMT
Did you not know? Most of the staff have resigned because they do not agree with fixed rates, and today is their send off.
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Post by sl75 on Sept 25, 2015 15:41:54 GMT
(I see the autobid page is still lying about what it does, not that I'd let it do anything for me). Presumably, until any users who've agreed to the CURRENT autobid behaviour log on and agree to the NEW terms and conditions, FC will not legally be able to have those users autobids do anything else... So, autobid users would fall into 3 groups: 1. Those who have already agreed to the new T&Cs (an initial group that will start at zero but should rapidly increase) and who have thus accepted the new autobid behaviour. 2. Those whose autobid rates were already below the new fixed rates can continue unfettered, as the new behaviour is within the T&Cs they agreed to (but FC then need to be careful if/when they lower the fixed rates). 3. Those whose autobid rates were above the new fixed rates - FC do not have authorisation from such users to bid on the new fixed rate auctions, as they have neither agreed to the new T&Cs nor selected a rate low enough to allow bidding at the new fixed rates. [4. Those who don't use autobid...] It will be interesting to see how FC actually handle the launch - in particular what they do with users in group 3 (respect their existing instructions, so that by implication they CANNOT bid on the new fixed-rate auctions on the primary market, or make bids that those users have not authorised and hope those users don't mind and/or don't complain to the regulator).
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Post by adrianc on Sept 25, 2015 15:48:02 GMT
So, autobid users would fall into 3 groups: 1. Those who have already agreed to the new T&Cs (an initial group that will start at zero but should rapidly increase) and who have thus accepted the new autobid behaviour. 2. Those whose autobid rates were already below the new fixed rates can continue unfettered, as the new behaviour is within the T&Cs they agreed to (but FC then need to be careful if/when they lower the fixed rates). 3. Those whose autobid rates were above the new fixed rates - FC do not have authorisation from such users to bid on the new fixed rate auctions, as they have neither agreed to the new T&Cs nor selected a rate low enough to allow bidding at the new fixed rates. [4. Those who don't use autobid...] It will be interesting to see how FC actually handle the launch - in particular what they do with users in group 3 (respect their existing instructions, so that by implication they CANNOT bid on the new fixed-rate auctions on the primary market, or make bids that those users have not authorised and hope those users don't mind and/or don't complain to the regulator). I'd say they'll respect the existing settings, which will mean those users not buying anything on the PM, but they would still be able to buy on the SM - at some of the deep discounts which are now available to them. I'm almost tempted to turn it on, at a high rate, and see what - if anything - it fishes out that'd be flippable. I rather suspect that the bottieboys will be beating any autobiddies to anything interesting there.
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Post by goldservice on Sept 25, 2015 15:49:34 GMT
sl75: I got this email from Faintly Comic today. Does it answer your Group 3 issue? "We're planning to introduce fixed interest rate loans on Monday 28 September, which means Autobid will lend at fixed rates on your behalf. What do I need to do? From next week, your Autobid will automatically bid on the risk bands you have selected at the gross interest rates below. These rates may be different to your current settings so it's worth reviewing what they are to make sure you're happy with them: (Table omitted) Currently, one or more of the interest rates you have saved in your current Autobid settings is set above the new fixed interest rates. This means that you will buy loan parts on the secondary market at these rates, but place bids on new loans at the interest rates shown above. Your actual return may be higher or lower as your capital is at risk. If you want to change your Autobid settings, in order to buy loan parts on the secondary market at different rates, you can update them by logging into your account and navigating to Autobid. You'll need to turn Autobid off, change your settings and turn it back on. If you're happy with your current rates and are happy to lend at the fixed interest rates shown in this email, you don't need to take any action."
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Post by sl75 on Sept 25, 2015 16:06:16 GMT
sl75: I got this email from Faintly Comic today. Does it answer your Group 3 issue? "We're planning to introduce fixed interest rate loans on Monday 28 September, which means Autobid will lend at fixed rates on your behalf. What do I need to do? From next week, your Autobid will automatically bid on the risk bands you have selected at the gross interest rates below. These rates may be different to your current settings so it's worth reviewing what they are to make sure you're happy with them: It strikes me as rather short notice of a potentially adverse change (as I recall Zopa gave 30 days notice before overriding users' instructions to their detriment), but I'd guess if it had appropriate emphasis (I would expect a self-contained email with just this formal notification), I'll be presented with a copy shortly and asked by the person to whom it was addressed what they need to do about it... ... the short-term answer to which [based on that particular person's circumstances] will be to wait until Monday morning, and then turn off autobid (and continue withdrawing excess funds as and when they accumulate after that date). Unless of course it will be possible to have autobid activated for the secondary market only, in which case I might revise that suggestion.
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Post by blender on Sept 25, 2015 16:08:09 GMT
Presumably when you switch on Autobid you are deemed to Autoaccept any changes in the terms and conditions (which must have been done before) and the new terms and conditions will specify the new Autobid behaviour. Otherwise, whenever the T&C's change in any way Autobid would have to cease all bidding and only start for each client once that client has positively accepted the new T&Cs. That would not work well, and Autobid users would be unhappy to return from whatever to find that their money had not been lent because they had not ticked a new box as a result of an email.
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Post by acky on Sept 25, 2015 16:50:15 GMT
Total new loans listed today, as far as I can see, amount to one <£13k B. So is everyone postponing their money needs until Monday, or are all the Fixed Coupon staff off being retrained to answer questions on the new regime? (I see the autobid page is still lying about what it does, not that I'd let it do anything for me). And the few loans that are listed are filling up very slowly. And of the recent large SME loans, two (15618 & 15654) have declined in the last two days and 15709 looks like it'll go the same way. Doesn't seem worth bidding on 4 similarly sized loans currently listed - unless you want to tie up your cash fruitlessly for a week or so. Presumably these will come back at a better (for borrower), fixed rate with FC cash back (so Grannie gets the benefit as well) over the next week or so. Just feels like everyone's lost interest and just waiting to see what the new world brings. I can't wait ..... oh sorry, yes I can!
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Post by registerme on Sept 25, 2015 17:01:15 GMT
Agreed. Why would anybody commit significant funds to a very different regime until they have some idea how it's going to play out?
FC causes their own liquidity crunch.
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Post by jimbob on Sept 25, 2015 20:32:59 GMT
I've got a hundred quid on bid that have 'ended' in my dashboard - why are these not showing up as live loans ? Also one of my loans is processing (A payment it seems judging by the schedule) - seems a funny time to do it. Will it be processing all weekend and the funds credited Monday or Sat morning or ? Quite new to p2p so wondering about this stuff.
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Post by registerme on Sept 25, 2015 20:43:05 GMT
I've got a hundred quid on bid that have 'ended' in my dashboard - why are these not showing up as live loans ? Also one of my loans is processing (A payment it seems judging by the schedule) - seems a funny time to do it. Will it be processing all weekend and the funds credited Monday or Sat morning or ? Quite new to p2p so wondering about this stuff. So "ended" means "the auction has ended but the loan hasn't been drawn down yet". You can interpret this in positive ways, for instance "I got a good rate", or you can interpret this in negative ways "it's not been drawn down yet and I'm not earning interest, and in fact it may be rejected by the borrower". Your mileage may vary but.... don't draw too many conclusions until you have more information and experience to draw on. You could do an awful lot worse than read through some of the threads here. Also note that everything changes next week. "Processing" (like other FC status labels) is... vague. To me Processing means "not late". Late means "not in default yet". There can be entirely innocent reasons for things being in a status of "Processing", like bank holidays, Saturdays, first payments requiring manual intervention / set up etc. But it's vague, yes. Just to add to your confusion, just because something is processing (ie not late according to my interpretation) it doesn't mean that it will go late. And just because something is late doesn't mean that it will default. Think of it this way, if a payment is due on date x and isn't paid, it is probably in "processing". If it's in processing it will probably be paid. If it isn't it will probably end up being late, and may be paid. If it isn't paid it will end up in default and you will get some (guess, dependent on risk rating?) of it back.
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Post by SteveT on Sept 25, 2015 20:46:43 GMT
I've got a hundred quid on bid that have 'ended' in my dashboard - why are these not showing up as live loans ? Also one of my loans is processing (A payment it seems judging by the schedule) - seems a funny time to do it. Will it be processing all weekend and the funds credited Monday or Sat morning or ? Quite new to p2p so wondering about this stuff. Formerly Constructive currently give borrowers up to 7 days to decide whether to accept the final rate achieved in their auction, something that ought immediately to be reduced when their fixed rate loans kick in next week. "Processing" usually either means that a Direct Debit payment hasn't gone through as it should (and is being "retried" before next being categorised as "late") or that something wholly unpredictable and unprecedented has happened to completely stymie the entire repayments process, like a Bank Holiday. [crossed with registerme!]
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Sept 26, 2015 7:27:30 GMT
Actually 'retry' is the status that happens after (failed) 'processing', and before 'late'.
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Post by jimbob on Sept 26, 2015 8:56:52 GMT
Actually 'retry' is the status that happens after (failed) 'processing', and before 'late'. Heh - Well it is "retrying" now (9218). It's my highest % loan part (14.1, C) and is my first ever due repayment part. Clearly someone "knew" on the 2ndary market xD. The loan represents just over 0.5% of my current book (Only been doing this for 4 days). I've been gambling profitably for some years, and know these things always come down to judgement rather than luck in the long term - Was it a bad buy ?
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Post by SteveT on Sept 26, 2015 9:11:06 GMT
Actually 'retry' is the status that happens after (failed) 'processing', and before 'late'. Heh - Well it is "retrying" now (9218). It's my highest % loan part (14.1, C) and is my first ever due repayment part. Clearly someone "knew" on the 2ndary market xD. The loan represents just over 0.5% of my current book (Only been doing this for 4 days). I've been gambling profitably for some years, and know these things always come down to judgement rather than luck in the long term - Was it a bad buy ? I can't look at it whilst it's blocked from the SM (and it's more than 6 months old, so I'd be long shot by now) but does it have any past payment problems mentioned at the top of the Repayments tab? That's the first place you should always look before buying something on the SM.
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