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Post by harryvederci on Dec 15, 2016 14:15:57 GMT
"when in a hole stop digging"
PBL056 is being freely marketed on at least 2 websites NOT sold STC NOT under offer
PBL064 borrower has now put his solicitors in as a buffer to SS, they ran rings around the bank on that reported court case
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Post by oldgrumpy on Dec 15, 2016 15:30:34 GMT
Yes, as suggested to SS long ago as a result of lenders' DD, this particular borrower has a record lasting many years of (with his trusty chosen solicitors) making sure everything turns out OK .... for him. I will be astonished if SS don't have a couple of years more trouble with the two connected loans here.
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Post by harryvederci on Dec 15, 2016 15:55:40 GMT
I see one of his 'trusty solicitors' was given the order of the boot by the solicitors disciplinary tribunal last week for (sic) devising a scheme which would have done a mortgage lender out of £700,000
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Post by prosperitymortgages on Dec 16, 2016 6:28:39 GMT
Appraisal standards sometimes reflect deductions and discounts for holding costs, marketing costs, and entrepreneurial profit for such funding. In some circumstances, an appraisal may rely on the individual unit(s) to meet the agencies’ appraisal requirements and to determine market value for calculating the loan-to-value (LTV) ratio because as higher as the LTV ratio, the more riskier the loan is for a lender.
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Post by dovap on Dec 23, 2016 18:36:44 GMT
"when in a hole stop digging" PBL056 is being freely marketed on at least 2 websites NOT sold STC NOT under offer PBL064 borrower has now put his solicitors in as a buffer to SS, they ran rings around the bank on that reported court case ahh drat - seems the legals have come to nowt (nice report in the esteemed C*** V***** Gazette today about the troublesome world of agri lawyering and finance) still full steam ahead with the 'change of tack' <That sites top article seems to name a Borrower, Thus it's been Mod obscured>
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Post by harryvederci on Dec 23, 2016 20:31:33 GMT
what a revealing Gazette article that is!
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Post by seeingred on Dec 23, 2016 22:21:12 GMT
In what is the close knit farming community it almost beggars belief that this went on for so long - buyer beware - borrower beware - it smacks of the same type of misdeed that RBS were accused of - withholding or suddenly withdrawing finance from good companies to close them down and recover money owed. Certainly something to chew on.
As for a change of tack and full steam ahead, I hope it hits the buffers.
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Post by nsinvestor on Dec 24, 2016 10:43:26 GMT
As I've mentioned before, the Saving Stream due diligence on this one seems to have been non existant.
By definition, high cost bridging loans are used by people who cannot get mainstream finance for a variety of reasons and are secured.
The problem with this one, regardless of the prior history of the individual, is the valuation report.
In the accounts for the company that owns the building, the building was valued at £925k early 2015.
Having then signed a 20 year lease for over the odds rent with a tenant (another company owned by the same individual which was set up exactly 2 months before Savings Stream lent the money), the valuation jumped to £2,870m.
This was reflected in the company accounts in its valuation reserve and used by the valuers as the basis for saving stream to lend.
Potentially the office block could be worth that IF you can find a commercial property buyer AND you can find someone to pay the rent on half of it (if the individual cannot pay back Savings Stream high probability his other company can't pay the rent...)
Savings Stream seem now now to be believing the bullshit - this individual (and his son) won't be able to re-finance against their whole business. Their personal credit risk is shot and all the companies are cross-lending to each other. When you aggregate it, there ain't no money there
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Post by oldgrumpy on Dec 24, 2016 10:47:25 GMT
Plenty more Marcus Christies about to help Mr P. I see from today's update that he has changed tack (again and again?) so will not be repaying any time soon.
Aren't lawyers one of the least trusted professions when it comes to P2P lenders?
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Post by jcb208 on Dec 24, 2016 11:04:00 GMT
I can't believe with all the updates and warning signs especially the last update people are still buying this and the farm loan .Must be true a "fool and his money are soon parted"
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Post by seeingred on Dec 24, 2016 18:00:02 GMT
Festive Grumpy asked, Aren't lawyers one of the least trusted professions when it comes to P2P lenders? Why the second half of the sentence?
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Post by grahamg on Jan 14, 2017 22:43:59 GMT
Interesting article in Telegraph re struck off solicitor
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Post by GeorgeT on Jan 14, 2017 23:23:52 GMT
Interesting article in Telegraph re struck off solicitor Yes he has been struck off a second time and this time for mortgage fraud and taking lenders for a ride. I really can't see saving stream recovering any of the money here but unfortunately this is the risk when you lend to bankrupts and convicted criminals and don't bother much with due diligence. Savings stream have stated the background of borrowers is irrelevant but I disagree. It's this sort of reckless lending that could bring them down.
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Post by harryvederci on Jan 14, 2017 23:31:11 GMT
Interesting article in Telegraph re struck off solicitor Yes he has been struck off a second time and this time for mortgage fraud and taking lenders for a ride. I really can't see saving stream recovering any of the money here but unfortunately this is the risk when you lend to bankrupts and convicted criminals and don't bother much with due diligence. Savings stream have stated the background of borrowers is irrelevant but I disagree. It's this sort of reckless lending that could bring them down. I wonder who his 'business partner' could be 056/064 are looking increasingly ominous & SS credibility is on the line with that 056 update of 2 months ago In legals. Offers received that will sufficiently repay the loan.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 14, 2017 23:49:55 GMT
056/064 are looking increasingly ominous & SS credibility is on the line with that 056 update of 2 months ago In legals. Offers received that will sufficiently repay the loan.SS forgot to include the rest of the update -- "...except the potential buyers can't find any lenders willing to give them a loan."
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