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Post by Jeepers on Aug 1, 2016 17:46:05 GMT
Just noticed this is to let on rightmove at £55k per annum.
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Post by dodgeydave on Aug 1, 2016 17:51:36 GMT
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Post by Jeepers on Aug 1, 2016 18:02:50 GMT
Aren't we covered by the surveyors indemnity insurance if it turns out to not be worth the stated valuation?
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 1, 2016 18:09:24 GMT
Aren't we covered by the surveyors indemnity insurance if it turns out to not be worth the stated valuation? Erm - according to the relevant box in the valuation its expired ... yesterday
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Post by jcb208 on Aug 1, 2016 18:18:46 GMT
savingstream Any chance of an update or any comments on these posts we are all waiting
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Post by Jeepers on Aug 1, 2016 18:20:37 GMT
Surely savingstream should only ensure that the indemnity insurance is in place for the full duration of the loan 😡
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 1, 2016 18:23:57 GMT
Just noticed this is to let on rightmove at £55k per annum. Thats not the whole building, its one office on the first floor 5500sqft @£10sq ft, or offices on first & GF 10350 sqft Valuation shows the whole space is 25500 sq ft and the rental value is the same. So this is completely in line with valuation
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Post by martin44 on Aug 1, 2016 18:26:25 GMT
Aren't we covered by the surveyors indemnity insurance if it turns out to not be worth the stated valuation? The valuation is not worth the paper it's written on, as per pbl20. And the surveyors indemnity insurance is worth about the same.
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Post by markdirac on Aug 1, 2016 18:30:20 GMT
Just noticed this is to let on rightmove at £55k per annum. £55k p.a. / 8% (the valuer's expected rent*) = £690k valuation for our £2.87M security. *page 12, section 5.1 of the valuation report Oops - I am misleading - ilmoro points out above that this £55k is for only a part of the building.
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Post by harvey on Aug 1, 2016 18:46:08 GMT
Surely savingstream should only ensure that the indemnity insurance is in place for the full duration of the loan 😡 My understanding is that all RICS members are required to maintain 'run off' professional indemnity insurance cover for 6 years after last doing work. It's not the best valuation report IMO. I'm a bit concerned. It's described in the report as 'modern office premises' which then slightly contradicts itself by stating 'comprising workshop space with associated offices ..' . But it looks and sounds like an industrial building with ancillary office space that may have been valued on an office basis to enhance the valuation. Steel portal frame , metal sheet roof, roller shutter door etc.... That's industrial build spec. And the PP was for an Industrial unit (section 3.3 of report). Also, the valuer notes that one part looks way over-rented (section 5.1) - sounds dodgy. I find it hard to believe that was a proper arms length letting at market rent and that rent was actually being paid. It looks like a false rent intended to artificially (on paper) inflate the market value of the freehold. A quick persusal of the floor areas , shows it's predominantly workshop... workshop 1 - 133 sq m, workshop 2 - 35 sq m, workshop 3 - 251 sq m, workshop 4 - 69 sq m, workshop 5 - 203 sq m, workshop 6 - 337 sq m, workshop 7 - 202 sq m, warehouse with roller shutter door - 66 sq m. etc etc. Industrial space values per sq m are going to be much lower than purpose built office values - which seem to have been used as 'comparables'. And once again, of concern to me that it appears the borrower was able to choose the valuer (whose website suggests they specialise in the farming industry) and the valuation was accepted on the basis of information provided by the borrower. It all seems a bit dodgy to me.
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Post by Steerpike on Aug 1, 2016 18:52:33 GMT
Valuation is based on adjusted projected (at that time) rents multiplied by 12.5, taking account of increasing one and reducing the other, simplistic perhaps, but dodgy?
Smaller unit currently on Rightmove for £10 psf giving about £103k, similar to the figure used in the valuation.
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Post by caerus on Aug 1, 2016 19:06:07 GMT
Going to be a little controversial and say I'm quite happy with this loan. SS have a 1st legal charge and debenture over the Co. all registered at CH. It is only the projected valuation which is causing people concern here. The owner is selling - which they won't be able to do unless they receive enough sale proceeds (or alternatively pay themselves on top of the sale proceeds) to pay back SS, and in turn us. Likely there is already a tenant on a lease at the Property if there is only part being offered to let at the moment which will only make it more attractive for a purchaser. What a director may have or has done in the past does not imo affect the saleability nor value of a Property.
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Post by moist on Aug 1, 2016 19:11:28 GMT
anyone know if the tenant (M**power) is still in situ? Guessing not as some available to let. Strange as there was a 15 year lease without breaks......
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Post by easilyparted on Aug 1, 2016 19:13:16 GMT
I believe that the valuers in this case are a well respected firm and hopefully,to protect their reputation, will further investigate the rental 'claims'.If they feel that they have been misled they must alert their professional body and the criminal agencies,who,despite multiple complaints,have to date failed to take any action.
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Post by dovap on Aug 1, 2016 19:14:43 GMT
The tenant which isn't the borrower (but no longer appears to be a tenant on a quick search) was paying ~ 100K for their 15525 sq ft (if the valuer was to be believed) which seems more in keeping with other local offices available It's almost as if the value has been substantially bloated by the borrower Still they are selling so no big deal unless SS updates and the intentions of the borrower aren't entirely reliable
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