Jeepers
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Post by Jeepers on Aug 1, 2016 19:19:09 GMT
Going to be a little controversial and say I'm quite happy with this loan. SS have a 1st legal charge and debenture over the Co. all registered at CH. It is only the projected valuation which is causing people concern here. The owner is selling - which they won't be able to do unless they receive enough sale proceeds (or alternatively pay themselves on top of the sale proceeds) to pay back SS, and in turn us. Likely there is already a tenant on a lease at the Property if there is only part being offered to let at the moment which will only make it more attractive for a purchaser. What a director may have or has done in the past does not imo affect the saleability nor value of a Property. We also have a PG from the borrower although I'm not sure he's the decent type who would disclose his assets 😖
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Post by easilyparted on Aug 1, 2016 19:19:14 GMT
The tenant which isn't the borrower (but no longer appears to be a tenant on a quick search) was paying ~ 100K for their 15525 sq ft (if the valuer was to be believed) which seems more in keeping with other local offices available It's almost as if the value has been substantially bloated by the borrower Still they are selling so no big deal unless SS updates and the intentions of the borrower aren't entirely reliable Got it in one
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Post by dodgeydave on Aug 1, 2016 19:24:00 GMT
Going to be a little controversial and say I'm quite happy with this loan. SS have a 1st legal charge and debenture over the Co. all registered at CH. It is only the projected valuation which is causing people concern here. The owner is selling - which they won't be able to do unless they receive enough sale proceeds (or alternatively pay themselves on top of the sale proceeds) to pay back SS, and in turn us. Likely there is already a tenant on a lease at the Property if there is only part being offered to let at the moment which will only make it more attractive for a purchaser. What a director may have or has done in the past does not imo affect the saleability nor value of a Property. We also have a PG from the borrower although I'm not sure he's the decent type who would disclose his assets 😖 I can tell you from another p2p site that PG are really worthless
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Post by Jeepers on Aug 1, 2016 19:38:17 GMT
IMO SS create a rod for their own back staying silent in situations like this. Anyone who invests in MT will know that as soon as any issues or concerns are raised, Ed will respond night or day and put investors minds at ease.
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Post by harvey on Aug 1, 2016 19:54:19 GMT
Valuation is based on adjusted projected (at that time) rents multiplied by 12.5, taking account of increasing one and reducing the other, simplistic perhaps, but dodgy? Smaller unit currently on Rightmove for £10 psf giving about £103k, similar to the figure used in the valuation. Poorly phrased on my part. For avoidance of doubt, I didn't mean to imply the valuer or valuation was dodgy. The valuer was asked to value based on the information supplied to him by the borrower as is made clear in his report. I meant only to suggest the bigger picture looks dodgy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 19:59:32 GMT
IMO SS create a rod for their own back staying silent in situations like this. Anyone who invests in MT will know that as soon as any issues or concerns are raised, Ed will respond night or day and put investors minds at ease. Well, as far as I can see this 'concern' was raised today (and this still is not clear to me and the link is to a forum with litterally hundreds of unclear pages mainly from borrowers of this company complaining about our borrower's company about their recovery methods). I cannot believe you really think a company CEO of a small company working hard all day (and probably full of appointments already) might have the time to immediately respond to put your mind at ease... This is totally ludicrous. If you have so much concerns, please SELL immediately everything and sleep well. Yes communication is good, but don't always expect IMMEDIATE communications. I would be more than happy if SS analysed the case (which, I repeat, does not seem so easy as you might imagine; there is no evidence of a scam here) and responded for example in a week or two. Relax and don't be so anxious.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 20:05:13 GMT
Going to be a little controversial and say I'm quite happy with this loan. SS have a 1st legal charge and debenture over the Co. all registered at CH. It is only the projected valuation which is causing people concern here. The owner is selling - which they won't be able to do unless they receive enough sale proceeds (or alternatively pay themselves on top of the sale proceeds) to pay back SS, and in turn us. Likely there is already a tenant on a lease at the Property if there is only part being offered to let at the moment which will only make it more attractive for a purchaser. What a director may have or has done in the past does not imo affect the saleability nor value of a Property. Well, yes I am with you on the attitude. We have to look at the security here, not directly on the borrowers or his methods with other people. Problem is that all we have is an evaluation of the security which might be affected by data not entirely correct or true. This is a problem. Of course the borrower might attempt to sell the property, but if no buyer is found, of course they might default on repayment and be happy with the 2 mil they received from SS, in which case the problem bounces back onto us. So, this is the reason why the valuation is a key part of the assessment.
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Post by harvey on Aug 1, 2016 20:23:41 GMT
Well, it is clear our farming friends on the other forum have long running issues with this borrower and his methods - and I am not doubting their motives, integrity or the veracity of what they have been writing.
But it is also true that, in regards to his business with SS, there is - to date - no evidence of any wrongdoing.
Indeed, it seems communications with SS have been maintained by the borrower and, in any event, the SS loan is not due for repayment for another 79 days.
So, yes, I do think it's important we don't allow ourselves to be whipped up into a frenzy of panic by the experiences and feelings of other people.
If this borrower goes on to let us down badly, or it turns out we have been duped, then we will have good reason to be very unhappy but in the meantime I agree we need to stay rational, keep calm heads and put our trust in SS to manage this loan to a satisfactory conclusion in the coming months.
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Post by harryvederci on Aug 1, 2016 20:42:22 GMT
dont forget PBL056 with the same parties which has apparantly been in refinance for 3 months, will it complete as per last update?
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 1, 2016 20:43:43 GMT
For the record Royal Mail still have the non borrower related company listed at that address.
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Post by cooling_dude on Aug 1, 2016 21:00:40 GMT
Well, it is clear our farming friends on the other forum have long running issues with this borrower and his methods - and I am not doubting their motives, integrity or the veracity of what they have been writing. But it is also true that, in regards to his business with SS, there is - to date - no evidence of any wrongdoing. Indeed, it seems communications with SS have been maintained by the borrower and, in any event, the SS loan is not due for repayment for another 79 days. So, yes, I do think it's important we don't allow ourselves to be whipped up into a frenzy of panic by the experiences and feelings of other people. If this borrower goes on to let us down badly, or it turns out we have been duped, then we will have good reason to be very unhappy but in the meantime I agree we need to stay rational, keep calm heads and put our trust in SS to manage this loan to a satisfactory conclusion in the coming months. Hmmmmm... The aforementioned Desmond P*******, had a widely reported court case with The Co-op bank (P******* v Co-Op bank), where he fell into arrears and the bank issued possession proceedings against him. He applied to strike out the possession proceedings on the basis that they were an abuse of process or had been brought for a collateral purpose.In the end, it seems the bank simply discontinued its claim for possession. If this is what our borrowers (Desmond P******* is the previous director, but presumably still involved) are able to achieve against a major high street bank, imagine what they are going to put Lendy Ltd through if Lendy try to take possession of the security? Links available on request
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Post by fp on Aug 1, 2016 21:12:50 GMT
I've been having a read up too, ethics are far more valuable to me than 12% interest, glad to be out of this one!
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Post by harvey on Aug 1, 2016 21:17:28 GMT
He must have a lot of influence and muscle and connections in the right places if he is able to get a repossession order struck out after defaulting on a loan, assuming all the legalities were done properly by the bank. I wasn't aware of that case and I don't know any of the circumstances surrounding it and it surprises me that such a defence would hold any weight. But for whatever reason it seems the bank backed down and of course that is a concern given that Lendy is a much smaller animal than Co-Op bank was.
Thanks for your probing on this. It does seem there is quite a heavy body of history to suggest the borrower is not the ideal person to do business with.
It's a shame that SS didn't do these sorts of probings themselves before they agreed to the loan. Given they must have known the individual's name and/or or associated company names it would have been quite easy for them to have found out certain information I would have thought given you have obviously been able to dig up quite a lot in just an afternoon on your computer. This may go back to a point that was made recently on the forum that while checking out the valuation of the security is all well and good, SS should perhaps also investigate the background of applicants a little more as well.
Edit - this was a reply to CD's post a couple above this one.
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Post by 2wolfbag2 on Aug 1, 2016 21:17:33 GMT
Hmmm have a dilemma - do I sell up now and wait for ever for the bits to go --- do I wait til it turns red because that's when it really seems to sell quick . . . . . .
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 1, 2016 21:40:12 GMT
Well, it is clear our farming friends on the other forum have long running issues with this borrower and his methods - and I am not doubting their motives, integrity or the veracity of what they have been writing. But it is also true that, in regards to his business with SS, there is - to date - no evidence of any wrongdoing. Indeed, it seems communications with SS have been maintained by the borrower and, in any event, the SS loan is not due for repayment for another 79 days. So, yes, I do think it's important we don't allow ourselves to be whipped up into a frenzy of panic by the experiences and feelings of other people. If this borrower goes on to let us down badly, or it turns out we have been duped, then we will have good reason to be very unhappy but in the meantime I agree we need to stay rational, keep calm heads and put our trust in SS to manage this loan to a satisfactory conclusion in the coming months. Hmmmmm... The aforementioned [/a] D****** P*******, had a widely reported court case with The C*** bank (P******* v ****p bank), where he fell into arrears and the bank issued possession proceedings against him. He applied to strike out the possession proceedings on the basis that they were an abuse of process or had been brought for a collateral purpose.In the end, it seems the bank simply discontinued its claim for possession. If this is what our borrowers (D****** P******* is the previous director, but presumably still involved) are able to achieve against a major high street bank, imagine what they are going to put Lendy Ltd through if Lendy try to take possession of the security? Links available on request[/quote]Looks to me like the bank cocked up on that one, didnt do its due diligence on existing loans Found the HoP debate yet? Ref to another family member & former director.
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