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Post by chris on Oct 30, 2015 22:26:40 GMT
Just a quick note to let all QAA investors know that as we're manually triggering the first payment, so that we can keep an eye on the system, we'll be doing so on the morning of Monday 2nd November. Both September and October's interest will be paid.
QAA interest will also be calculated slightly differently to other investments where it will be calculated with per second accuracy rather based on holdings at midnight. With the other investments we use this method so that the time of day a loan draws down or makes a payment is unimportant, neither of which apply to the QAA. With the QAA investments are also likely to be more fleeting during periods of high activity so it was felt per second accuracy would be fairer.
Live display of accrued interest will also follow in the next handful of weeks.
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skippyonspeed
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Post by skippyonspeed on Oct 31, 2015 0:27:22 GMT
Wow! per second accuracy.........so how many decimal points will be needed for all the shrapnel!
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Post by jonah on Oct 31, 2015 7:06:29 GMT
chris watching it work seems a good idea... Might want to think about informing the folk who are in QAA but not on here as the email sent on 2nd October specifically stated 1st of November. Don't want to have unhappy customers. For sheer amusement, what's the per second interest rate for 3.75% annual?
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Post by chris on Oct 31, 2015 8:09:06 GMT
Wow! per second accuracy.........so how many decimal points will be needed for all the shrapnel! It'll be totalled as one payment per investing account (e.g. MLIA swept, GEIA swept) per month.
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Post by chris on Oct 31, 2015 8:10:31 GMT
chris watching it work seems a good idea... Might want to think about informing the folk who are in QAA but not on here as the email sent on 2nd October specifically stated 1st of November. Don't want to have unhappy customers. For sheer amusement, what's the per second interest rate for 3.75% annual? I've sent my post to the admin team who will make the call as to whether to email or not.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Oct 31, 2015 8:36:01 GMT
For sheer amusement, what's the per second interest rate for 3.75% annual? £1.189x10 -9 per £1 per second. I think that you'd need just over £8.4 million for a second to earn one penny, or with a maximum holding of £25k you would earn one penny about every 336 seconds.
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Post by gt94sss2 on Nov 1, 2015 16:32:07 GMT
QAA interest will also be calculated slightly differently to other investments where it will be calculated with per second accuracy rather based on holdings at midnight. With the other investments we use this method so that the time of day a loan draws down or makes a payment is unimportant, neither of which apply to the QAA. With the QAA investments are also likely to be more fleeting during periods of high activity so it was felt per second accuracy would be fairer. It may be too late but for the sake of keeping things simple - can AC review this? I suspect most customers would be more than happy with QAA interest calculated at based on holdings at midnight as it is with the other accounts - and allows those so inclined to check the interest they receive. Paying interest with with per second accuracy seems like an unnecessary complication - I am all for following the KISS principle. If AC does get to that stage when there are "periods of high activity" (you have some way to go), then you could revisit the posiiton.. though the proposed system would mean you could get interest twice - once for any seconds its in the QAA and then a whole days interest if its been invested elsewhere by midnight.. - which then doesnt sound fair to someone who say sold out of a loan at 11pm etc.
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Post by ton27 on Nov 2, 2015 10:11:22 GMT
I do worry at times that AC go for an accuracy that is not needed. I would prefer they keep it simple and not waste time with seconds and 20 decimal places.
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Post by sl75 on Nov 2, 2015 12:55:29 GMT
Given a queue of several days/weeks to get funds into the QAA, per-second precision seems completely and utterly meaningless.
If the queue becomes short enough for it to become meaningful (e.g. if you can reasonably expect to get funds into the QAA on the same day you add them), there will instead be exploitation (possibly bot-assisted) where loan units are purchased just before midnight and then immediately resold from just after midnight, in order to accrue the overnight loan interest and also at least some of the daytime QAA interest on the very same day. Rinse and repeat...
Please stick to one interest accrual system and use it throughout the entire site!
Edit: as I understand it, the QAA itself receives accrued interest only on the portions of loan units that it holds at midnight. Holding units of the QAA at the moment the QAA itself accrues interest is what seems to me the obvious thing to earn one a right to earn QAA interest. Everything occurring within the same day is merely repositioning ready for the next interest accrual event.
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Post by ramblin rose on Nov 2, 2015 20:46:54 GMT
The QAA interest payment relating to my MLIA seems to have been paid into it as anticipated, but doesn't seem to have then been queued back in to the MLIA (the two infinetissimally small interest payments relating to the nono-pence in there from my CA have been queued for the QAA); in fact from a cursory look at things, none of the payments into my MLIA since 31st Oct seem to have gone into the QAA queue - anybody else got this? Am I having a Monday evening dense moment?
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Post by jonah on Nov 2, 2015 21:32:21 GMT
The QAA interest payment relating to my MLIA seems to have been paid into it as anticipated, but doesn't seem to have then been queued back in to the MLIA (the two infinetissimally small interest payments relating to the nono-pence in there from my CA have been queued for the QAA); in fact from a cursory look at things, none of the payments into my MLIA since 31st Oct seem to have gone into the QAA queue - anybody else got this? Am I having a Monday evening dense moment? Whilst I would never comment on a ladies 'moments', my QAA pennies appear to be queuing from the various interest payments today. Could it be that you haven't scrolled the QAA queue box down to see the most recent additions to the queue?
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Post by ramblin rose on Nov 2, 2015 21:37:30 GMT
The QAA interest payment relating to my MLIA seems to have been paid into it as anticipated, but doesn't seem to have then been queued back in to the MLIA (the two infinetissimally small interest payments relating to the nono-pence in there from my CA have been queued for the QAA); in fact from a cursory look at things, none of the payments into my MLIA since 31st Oct seem to have gone into the QAA queue - anybody else got this? Am I having a Monday evening dense moment? Whilst I would never comment on a ladies 'moments', my QAA pennies appear to be queuing from the various interest payments today. Could it be that you haven't scrolled the QAA queue box down to see the most recent additions to the queue? No it's not that - but I've just this minute realised it's something equally dingbatty - a loan part has since been purchased which has taken the most recent shrapnel out of the queue. Doh! Time to hang up the brain cells for today I think, and give them a bit of a rest.
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 2, 2015 22:08:49 GMT
Whilst I would never comment on a ladies 'moments', my QAA pennies appear to be queuing from the various interest payments today. Could it be that you haven't scrolled the QAA queue box down to see the most recent additions to the queue? No it's not that - but I've just this minute realised it's something equally dingbatty - a loan part has since been purchased which has taken the most recent shrapnel out of the queue. Doh! Time to hang up the brain cells for today I think, and give them a bit of a rest. ramblin rose: it seems to me that a rather more dingbatty thing is a system which through combination of its presentation layer and current business dynamics appears to result in people checking whether their 1 x 10^-20 pence of interest on a 1 x 10^-18 pence loan part has been requeued or even shuffled forward as a result of someone elses 1 x 10^-17 pence having dropped out of the queue; nontheless you can be reassured that should it make it past the head of the queue that based on current performance it will take 2 x 10^-2 secs for you to withdraw it should you wish to, while the probable horizon time for their being something new for one to invest it in is likely ROM 1.2 x 10^6 secs.
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Post by min on Nov 3, 2015 8:40:42 GMT
I'm totally baffled by it. In order to work out the interest you appear to have to look at all the accounts as interest appears in them separately. Understandable but would be nice to see - you received £X.xx in interest somewhere.
Some interest added to QAA directly which I assume relates to cash directly invested in QAA BUT 5p interest went into cash account. Why?
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Post by chris on Nov 3, 2015 8:53:28 GMT
I'm totally baffled by it. In order to work out the interest you appear to have to look at all the accounts as interest appears in them separately. Understandable but would be nice to see - you received £X.xx in interest somewhere. Some interest added to QAA directly which I assume relates to cash directly invested in QAA BUT 5p interest went into cash account. Why? Presumably because you had swept funds from your cash account into the QAA. Interest is paid back to the source account where money was swept from.
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