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Post by Financial Thing on Nov 20, 2015 13:27:25 GMT
On the new site, I once saw each loan listed whether it was under the old structure or new. It now seems to have escaped my eyes. Anyone else noticed this?
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Post by ramblin rose on Nov 20, 2015 13:39:51 GMT
On the new site, I once saw each loan listed whether it was under the old structure or new. It now seems to have escaped my eyes. Anyone else noticed this? Pretty sure it was on the old site - it has been mentioned by someone just after the new site went live that this doesn't seem to have been carried through.
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Post by Financial Thing on Nov 20, 2015 14:06:46 GMT
On the new site, I once saw each loan listed whether it was under the old structure or new. It now seems to have escaped my eyes. Anyone else noticed this? Pretty sure it was on the old site - it has been mentioned by someone just after the new site went live that this doesn't seem to have been carried through. It was on the new site somewhere as I thought it was a nice addition when I saw it. Can't find it now though.
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Post by paulg on Nov 20, 2015 14:30:06 GMT
Pretty sure it was on the old site - it has been mentioned by someone just after the new site went live that this doesn't seem to have been carried through. It was on the new site somewhere as I thought it was a nice addition when I saw it. Can't find it now though. It was definitely on the old site, but I haven't seen it on the new.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Nov 20, 2015 14:34:50 GMT
I saw it in the last day or so - just after the new site launch, I think. They've remove the column since.
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Post by Financial Thing on Nov 20, 2015 14:53:09 GMT
I saw it in the last day or so - just after the new site launch, I think. They've remove the column since. So much for transparency. I hope they bring this column back.
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Post by chielamangus on Dec 5, 2015 11:44:58 GMT
Where exactly are we on this? There is a new pipeline loan which will be secured by a second charge on an existing SS loan. If we have a new structure, a true P2P structure, then the first charge holders should be asked first for their permission to allow a second charge. But no such permission has been requested. It could be that this loan is not under the new structure, but how do we know? All information on this has been removed. The SS website is not informative at all. Under the FAQ it states "When you commit to investing in a loan your funds are then transferred from the Saving Stream Client Account to our parent company Lendy Ltd, who then make the loan to the borrower." So is there a new structure or not? To whom exactly are we lending? Lendy or the ultimate borrower? The answer is important. There is also some mystery over the provision fund (which SS had apparently forgotten about - see another thread PBL068 "Indeed, we forgot about the small matter of £1m of our own funds tied up in a bank account to be used as first loss (discretionary)..." Where does this money come from? How is it maintained in relation to the size of the loan book? Is there a formula or a commitment to maintain it at a fixed percentage of the loan book. And if - shudder the thought - the calls on it should be greater than the amount available, what are the rules governing disbursements. savingstream, can we please have enlightenment?
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 5, 2015 12:24:07 GMT
Where exactly are we on this? There is a new pipeline loan which will be secured by a second charge on an existing SS loan. If we have a new structure, a true P2P structure, then the first charge holders should be asked first for their permission to allow a second charge. But no such permission has been requested. It could be that this loan is not under the new structure, but how do we know? All information on this has been removed. The SS website is not informative at all. Under the FAQ it states "When you commit to investing in a loan your funds are then transferred from the Saving Stream Client Account to our parent company Lendy Ltd, who then make the loan to the borrower." So is there a new structure or not? To whom exactly are we lending? Lendy or the ultimate borrower? The answer is important. There is also some mystery over the provision fund (which SS had apparently forgotten about - see another thread PBL068 "Indeed, we forgot about the small matter of £1m of our own funds tied up in a bank account to be used as first loss (discretionary)..." Where does this money come from? How is it maintained in relation to the size of the loan book? Is there a formula or a commitment to maintain it at a fixed percentage of the loan book. And if - shudder the thought - the calls on it should be greater than the amount available, what are the rules governing disbursements. savingstream , can we please have enlightenment? SS have stated that the existing loan is under the new structure. Update 15/11. So your additional points are very pertinent. I suspect it is detailed in the loan contract which SS T&Cs state will be shown each time you invest/purchase/sell a loan part ... anyone ever seen one? I think the FAQ statement is wrong or badly worded as the new T&Cs state 'Once you have paid funds into your Saving Stream lender account or used the Auto Deposit Function in accordance with clause 3 and selected loan requests and agreed to transfer funds to those loan requests using the tick box, you automatically enter into a Loan Contract with the borrower for the loan part and your money is then transferred from your Saving Stream lender account to the Saving Stream account of the borrower' (Also out of date as auto deposit doesnt exist on new site) I suspect the 'forgotten' was tongue in check. Provision fund details are at the bottom of the How it Works/FAQ page (link at bottom of all pages) savingstream.co.uk/how-it-works#faq. 2% minimum of total live loan book.
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Post by chielamangus on Dec 5, 2015 12:30:42 GMT
ilmoro Thanks - useful info. Just need SS now to clarify a few points and update its website
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 5, 2015 12:43:01 GMT
ilmoro Thanks - useful info. Just need SS now to clarify a few points and update its website Im afraid thats something that they arent very good at staying on top of. The old website had the original FAQs & T&Cs, that were largely inaccurate as they related to the boat loans structure/operation, long after they ceased to offer boat loans. So Im afraid it might be a case of [Possibly slightly unfair, BUT 2000 post so had to get the pig in somewhere ... or he might have got stroppy and the consequences of having a stroppy pig sat on your helmet are not worth contemplating ]
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Post by Financial Thing on Dec 5, 2015 20:18:57 GMT
ilmoro Thanks - useful info. Just need SS now to clarify a few points and update its website Im afraid thats something that they arent very good at staying on top of. The old website had the original FAQs & T&Cs, that were largely inaccurate as they related to the boat loans structure/operation, long after they ceased to offer boat loans. So Im afraid it might be a case of [Possibly slightly unfair, BUT 2000 post so had to get the pig in somewhere ... or he might have got stroppy and the consequences of having a stroppy pig sat on your helmet are not worth contemplating ] So what's the situation because I'm confused? Are old loans still under the old structure? Are we still lending to Lendy?
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 5, 2015 20:37:22 GMT
SS may say "2% minimum", but I've never seen it be more than 2%. ISTM that SS don't operate their PF in the same way as other platforms do. Elsewhere, money is contributed to the fund as loans are made, and stays there until it is needed, so the fund would increase as long as losses don't exceed new contributions. SS seem to put 2% in when a loan is made -- and take 2% out whenever a loan is repaid! Doing that, the PF is growing only because the loan portfolio is growing. It isn't the least bit clear to me what exactly would happen if SS were to need to use the fund. Would they top it up afterwards? If they don't, and the shortfall covered by the PF is more than 2% of the defaulted loan, then the PF wouldn't still be at 2% of the remaining loan book. So what would they do then? On a separate but related issue, savingstream don't seem to accept that the numbers at the bottom of their 'How It Works' page need updating every time the amount in the PF changes, or whenever they make a new 'largest loan'. The loan shown at the bottom of the page now (PBL025) was superseded as SS's largest loan when PBL035 was made, and that was over six months ago. And the difference between the recovery shown as being required with and without the PF is 14.5% of the OMV, which implies that the PF contains 14.5% of £4.79M, which is £695k. That number is considerably out of date as well. This problem has been pointed out to SS in the past -- more than once, IIRC -- but they've never updated the website page to reflect the situation current at the time.
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Post by ilmoro on Dec 5, 2015 21:09:46 GMT
Im afraid thats something that they arent very good at staying on top of. The old website had the original FAQs & T&Cs, that were largely inaccurate as they related to the boat loans structure/operation, long after they ceased to offer boat loans. So Im afraid it might be a case of [Possibly slightly unfair, BUT 2000 post so had to get the pig in somewhere ... or he might have got stroppy and the consequences of having a stroppy pig sat on your helmet are not worth contemplating ] So what's the situation because I'm confused? Are old loans still under the old structure? Are we still lending to Lendy? As far as weve been told the old loans are under old structure lending to Lendy, 59 & 64 onwards are under new, my update list has line denoting split to assist
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