bigfoot12
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Post by bigfoot12 on Dec 2, 2015 21:53:21 GMT
I downloaded the loanbook this morning about 07:00 and neither of two loans with payment due today had been updated. Looking again at 21:00 same day one is now showing updated (next payment 02-Jan-16) whilst the other isn't. The one not updated is showing as processing in my loan part list, but I don't think that the other one was ever showing as processing. Does anyone have an idea of the timing of these things?
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Dec 3, 2015 9:14:03 GMT
I think the short answer is 'no'. IME it is unpredictable, unreliable, and subject to change. If it is more than 24 hours late you usually see a comment on the front page, but even that isn't always true.
When it works well it happens mostly overnight, but may drag out longer depending on how many parts repay that day and how busy the abacus is.
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min
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Post by min on Dec 3, 2015 9:19:32 GMT
I downloaded the loanbook this morning about 07:00 and neither of two loans with payment due today had been updated. Looking again at 21:00 same day one is now showing updated (next payment 02-Jan-16) whilst the other isn't. The one not updated is showing as processing in my loan part list, but I don't think that the other one was ever showing as processing. Does anyone have an idea of the timing of these things? Acrued interest updates at midnight (or just after). The repayment run usually takes place in the early hours of the morning (your account will be totally out of sync while it's running). 'Unexpected' events such as bank holidays, months with less than 31 days really seem to mess it up. After one of these a repayment run may well take place during the day (suspect it's a manual operation). Feb 2016 is likely to totally confuse things - it'll have 29 days. I seem to recall that it took ages for things to get back to 'normal' after 29/2/12 but then the platform was a lot, lot smaller.
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bigfoot12
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Post by bigfoot12 on Dec 3, 2015 9:54:13 GMT
So as of this morning, I have about 6 loan parts with interest due today. I have received all of my expected repayments. However, when I downloan the loanbook, all of these are showing as next payment today.
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nick
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Post by nick on Dec 3, 2015 10:39:00 GMT
So as of this morning, I have about 6 loan parts with interest due today. I have received all of my expected repayments. However, when I downloan the loanbook, all of these are showing as next payment today. I think the loanbook is only updated sometime late evening/early morning. I've noticed that newly drawn down loans show up on it the following day.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Dec 3, 2015 11:13:12 GMT
Yes, the loanbook update seems to be a 'once a day' batch activity, not a real time update. You certainly can't expect the loanbook, your loanparts, your transactions report, and your summary, to all agree about anything. Ever. Well, you can expect it, but you'll usually be disappointed.
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Post by sl75 on Dec 3, 2015 11:45:27 GMT
The last time I was tracking it in detail (a long time ago, so my experience may well be rather out of date) the sequence went broadly as follows:
For payments that clear "overnight":
1. at the stroke of midnight the loan value updates to show interest being repaid. 2. at 1am the loan value updates to show a repayment having been made, and any loan parts sold after that time are effectively "ex-repayment". 3. From about 2am onwards, the actual payments gradually filter into lender accounts, based on who was holding the loan part at 1am.
In between steps 2 and 3, the account total would be incorrect.
For payments that do not clear "overnight" 1. [as above] 2. at 1am the loan enters "processing/retry" state, and is suspended from trading 3. some time later the payment will clear and be processed, and loan parts can be listed for sale again. I've never watched closely enough to see if that's also a 2-stage process.
Maybe someone with a hawk-eyed bot will be able to confirm the precise current behaviour?
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nick
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Post by nick on Dec 3, 2015 12:01:58 GMT
Does anyone know the difference between retry and processing?
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Dec 3, 2015 14:44:00 GMT
Retry is when the DD failed to collect and gets resubmitted .. clearly a problem outside of sticky wires on the abacus. 'Processing' seems to be when FC are not yet sure that the DD bounced .. something else may have gone wrong (or just the aforesaid sticky wires).
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Post by sl75 on Dec 3, 2015 15:18:08 GMT
Retry is when the DD failed to collect and gets resubmitted .. clearly a problem outside of sticky wires on the abacus. 'Processing' seems to be when FC are not yet sure that the DD bounced .. something else may have gone wrong (or just the aforesaid sticky wires). I'm not sure that we know the detail with quite that much certainty... and as far as I know we had the "retry" status long before FC started routinely insisting on DD for payment. I'd guess that the actual DD collection probably happens by a different process on a different system, and that the payment distribution system sets the "retry" status. My interpretation of it was always "the system attempted to start the process of distributing this payment to lenders, but didn't find the necessary funds in the borrower's FC wallet. It will retry during tomorrow's processing run.".
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Post by blender on Dec 3, 2015 15:44:14 GMT
I do not think processing and retry have ever been defined. I do not remember ever seeing a loan go straight to retry, which suggests that a time in processing was always required first - whatever the position of the fund acquisition. Generally two or three working days of processing before one or two working days of retry, which seemed to show a process of escalation before being eased into late. There was once a property loan which nearly went late even though FC had all the interest up front. I am not sure if it went to retry, though that may be in the forum. Unfortunately someone spoiled the fun by alerting FC before it went late and before they had to write a note.
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Post by mikeb on Dec 3, 2015 18:32:21 GMT
When it works well it happens mostly overnight, but may drag out longer depending on how many parts repay that day and how busy the abacus is.
The abacus is not the limiting factor, it's the ability of the hamsters to keep running ...
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Post by ablender on Dec 3, 2015 18:46:42 GMT
When it works well it happens mostly overnight, but may drag out longer depending on how many parts repay that day and how busy the abacus is.
The abacus is not the limiting factor, it's the ability of the hamsters to keep running ... Mine died a few weeks ago.
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