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Post by davee39 on Apr 22, 2014 15:51:45 GMT
This is the t-shirt and napkin. There are only 16 lenders on it.
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Post by bugs4me on Apr 22, 2014 15:54:26 GMT
Hope the other two MJ's memorabilia do not go the same way. They are due to mature soon. I don't seem to be in on this one, but I think I'm in the other two MJ loans, so I'll be watching this one carefully. When was it due? With respect to my uncertainty on the other two... I have a list of about 20 FS loans that I'm in. Is there an easy way to tell which might be the other MJ loans? Or do I have to click on every loan to bring up that loan's page in order to find out what the security is? The only 'clue' is my two are listed under 'other'.
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Post by mikes1531 on Apr 22, 2014 16:13:25 GMT
I don't seem to be in on this one, but I think I'm in the other two MJ loans, so I'll be watching this one carefully. When was it due? With respect to my uncertainty on the other two... I have a list of about 20 FS loans that I'm in. Is there an easy way to tell which might be the other MJ loans? Or do I have to click on every loan to bring up that loan's page in order to find out what the security is? The only 'clue' is my two are listed under 'other'. Well, that does narrow the field a bit. Perhaps fundingsecure could consider including pictures on the investment listing pages so that we may be able to tell which loan is which more easily. If FS want to grow to the point where lenders have a hundred or more loans in their portfolios then a better way of telling the loans apart will be essential.
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Post by Bagman on Jun 12, 2014 16:21:08 GMT
Well all three MJ memorabilia loans to the same borrower have gone T**s Up , but Funding Secure have stepped up and taken ownership of the items and paid us all out both capital and interest, Well done FS
Here is the email I received.
TO: All investors in Michael Jackson Loans
As you are no doubt aware we have three separate loans which were secured against Michael Jackson Memorabilia, the details of which are as follows:
ID: 22084674 £5,000 loaned against a T-shirt and napkin, both signed by Michael Jackson. Valued at £7,500 Activated: 17/10/13. 6 month end date: 15/4/14 ID: 2131040674 £5,600 loaned against 2 hats signed by Michael Jackson. Valued at £8,000 Activated: 8/11/13. 6 month end date: 7/5/14 ID: 858660179 £4,200 loaned against a collection of clothing, signed by Michael Jackson. Valued at £6,000 Activated: 11/12/13. 6 month end date: 9/6/14
All of the above memorabilia were authenticated and valued by an ex-Christie valuer and by Fraser's Autographs - the leading UK autograph and memorabilia valuer and dealer. They provided a range of values - the lower end of the estimates being used as the value against which a loan was extended. Unfortunately, despite ongoing discussions with the borrower, as of today all three loans are in default.
NOTE: - there is one loan secured against Michael Jackson memorabilia that is still active. This loan was to a different client - we have no reason to believe at this stage that this will default - it is therefore not covered by this email.
We have been investigating options for disposing of these collections, including several auction houses including Fraser's, Bonham's, Heritage and Julien's in the USA. We have also been in discussion with several private buyers who had previously shown an interest in these items.
Although we have received offers for some of the items the values were not sufficient to proceed with any sale. You may have heard that there has been an increase in fake Michael Jackson memorabilia recently. Although no-one has questioned the authenticity of the items we hold, the effect of the fakes on the market has been to dramatically reduce the saleability of any real items. Unless we were prepared to accept very low offers the suggestion from all of the experts has been to hold onto them until the current furore about the fakes has died down - although this is likely to be some months away.
We have therefore decided to complete the loan, avoiding the accrual of interest which would otherwise make the possibility of a sale meeting all of the debt more-and-more unlikely. Exceptionally, we will be paying all capital and interest to date to all of our savers out of our own funds. FundingSecure will therefore take ownership of the items - which we will hold onto until we believe the market has recovered sufficiently to warrant resale. At that point we hope to recover the capital of the loan together with a portion of our admin charge.
This is an unprecedented action but we believe it is the correct one to take under these specific circumstances. FundingSecure remains a risk versus reward platform - we will continue to offer loans at high interest rates secured against assets which are professionally valued. There remains a risk that if a loan defaults there could be a shortfall, resulting in loss of interest or possibly even loss of capital. We will continue to strive to avoid this but we can never guarantee 100% return. To date we have a good track record but we would nevertheless recommend that savers should spread their investments across a number of loans to minimise the effect should there be a shortfall.
In addition to this detailed email we will be posting a more general blog on our web site to ensure those savers not directly involved with these loans will understand the position and the action taken.
If you have any questions please reply to this email and we will respond directly.
Sincerely
Noman, Richard, Nigel
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 12, 2014 19:34:51 GMT
You can’t beat bricks and mortar for focusing borrowers’ minds on their repayment obligations.
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Post by rudry2677 on Jun 12, 2014 20:05:33 GMT
Funding Secure have been far more than honourable regarding this selections of loans and I trust that the perpetrator of this scam will, in due course, reflect on their action and make amends in a truly charitable way by helping those in great need.
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Post by bugs4me on Jun 12, 2014 21:47:21 GMT
Well all three MJ memorabilia loans to the same borrower have gone T**s Up , but Funding Secure have stepped up and taken ownership of the items and paid us all out both capital and interest, Well done FS
<snip> Ditto to that - it is becoming more apparent (to me anyway) that FS are not a here today gone tomorrow platform.
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Post by ramblin rose on Jun 12, 2014 22:11:59 GMT
Well all three MJ memorabilia loans to the same borrower have gone T**s Up , but Funding Secure have stepped up and taken ownership of the items and paid us all out both capital and interest, Well done FS
<snip> Ditto to that - it is becoming more apparent (to me anyway) that FS are not a here today gone tomorrow platform. I wholeheartedly agree with the praise of FS' actions, which are unfailingly professional and more than fair, and agree that they do take their business seriously. However, I will non-the-less return to one of my stuck record points and question again whether 70% LTV isn't too high for these types of item for which valuations are a matter of opinion and subject to random change over a 6 month period. If instead of defaulting this borrower had requested to renew the loan, would a re-valuation have been done? Because, clearly, the current value of these particular items is much lower than it was 6 months ago. My feeling is that 70% LTV is probably reasonable for things like buildings, but anything that has more of a chance of depreciating quickly should have a lower LTV to be prudent. Despite my concerns, I've tended to ignore it up till now, but I'm starting to think I ought to modify my lending behaviour. After all, FS have stated in a round-about way that they will be willing to allow us to lose out at some point in the future if the valuations turn out to be inadequate for some reason.
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Post by bugs4me on Jun 12, 2014 22:33:09 GMT
Ditto to that - it is becoming more apparent (to me anyway) that FS are not a here today gone tomorrow platform. I wholeheartedly agree with the praise of FS' actions, which are unfailingly professional and more than fair, and agree that they do take their business seriously. However, I will non-the-less return to one of my stuck record points and question again whether 70% LTV isn't too high for these types of item for which valuations are a matter of opinion and subject to random change over a 6 month period. If instead of defaulting this borrower had requested to renew the loan, would a re-valuation have been done? Because, clearly, the current value of these particular items is much lower than it was 6 months ago. My feeling is that 70% LTV is probably reasonable for things like buildings, but anything that has more of a chance of depreciating quickly should have a lower LTV to be prudent. Despite my concerns, I've tended to ignore it up till now, but I'm starting to think I ought to modify my lending behaviour. After all, FS have stated in a round-about way that they will be willing to allow us to lose out at some point in the future if the valuations turn out to be inadequate for some reason. Don't think there's anything wrong with your 'stuck record' thinking. FS clearly need to maintain an element of goodwill with their lenders whilst of course making sure their bottom line isn't affected too much. At the same time, I believe they (FS) are on a learning curve themselves and what is vogue today quickly goes out of fashion tomorrow. I'm sure though they are aware of this and are trying to balance the recent famine with ensuring lenders do not desert. I do agree with the 70% LTV being too high on certain items - it will for example be interesting to see how the Y****a concludes although these are fairly sought after machines.
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Post by ramblin rose on Jun 12, 2014 22:44:37 GMT
......... I do agree with the 70% LTV being too high on certain items - it will for example be interesting to see how the Y****a concludes although these are fairly sought after machines. Quite right too (mine's a Y****a ). But, suppose the borrower wants to renew, just how sought after is it likely to be in December, I wonder? Not saying I wouldn't renew, but I'd certainly be giving it some thought.
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Post by ramblin rose on Jun 16, 2014 16:58:56 GMT
......... I do agree with the 70% LTV being too high on certain items - it will for example be interesting to see how the Y****a concludes although these are fairly sought after machines. Quite right too (mine's a Y****a ). But, suppose the borrower wants to renew, just how sought after is it likely to be in December, I wonder? Not saying I wouldn't renew, but I'd certainly be giving it some thought. Ooh err - we're about to test just how sought after it is right now
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Post by bugs4me on Jun 16, 2014 17:16:12 GMT
Quite right too (mine's a Y****a ). But, suppose the borrower wants to renew, just how sought after is it likely to be in December, I wonder? Not saying I wouldn't renew, but I'd certainly be giving it some thought. Ooh err - we're about to test just how sought after it is right now Sure are - but need to be quick before the 'biking 'season' ends. Also may need to be prepared to travel trying to sell these as they are a bit of a HOG alternative. Now I'll probably be shot down by all HD owners for saying that!!!
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Post by Bagman on Jun 17, 2014 1:11:59 GMT
I am a biker as well ( Kawasaki 1400GTR ) so I was happy to bid on this loan.
The Vmax is a bit of a cult muscle bike with a super V4 engine , Yamaha just brought out a model upgrade last year and they want at least £21,500 for the new ones, so £3k for a 98 model should be quite easy to get at this time of the year, there are a few on sale here MCN bikes for sale for comparison.
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Post by bugs4me on Jun 17, 2014 7:30:58 GMT
I am a biker as well ( Kawasaki 1400GTR ) so I was happy to bid on this loan.
The Vmax is a bit of a cult muscle bike with a super V4 engine , Yamaha just brought out a model upgrade last year and they want at least £21,500 for the new ones, so £3k for a 98 model should be quite easy to get at this time of the year, there are a few on sale here MCN bikes for sale for comparison. Thanks for the link - my goodness they do hold their value don't they
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