shimself
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Post by shimself on Feb 22, 2014 22:45:57 GMT
You know the rest.
Are people in Estonia, Euroland, really paying over 20% on their loans? Does anyone here have enough command of the language to be certain the borrowers really exist, they're in the phone book, if you phone a few they are indeed borrowers.
Who audits their accounts, the bloke next door or an internationally recognised auditor (I know that's not a stone cold guarantee but still, Madoff comes to mind)
I've made some efforts to verify the bona fides of their two Non Exec directors (they have linkedin pages); erm, I haven't found a trail which tells me they are heavyweight people with contacts, clout, judgement etc
I'm uncomfortable writing this; I just set out on the path on first principles, and I don't have all the skills to properly see it through.
Can someone reassure me I'm just being paranoid, please.
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Post by bugs4me on Feb 22, 2014 23:23:07 GMT
I'm uncomfortable writing this; I just set out on the path on first principles, and I don't have all the skills to properly see it through. Can someone reassure me I'm just being paranoid, please. I don't know why you're uncomfortable about doing a bit of DD on a P2P/P2B business. I do it all the time especially of late as there are more and more P2P/P2B's popping up all over the place. I've asked them directly a few pertinent questions and frankly some of the waffle I've received is just that - waffle. More of a 'in your heart you know you can trust us' reply without giving me anything to judge that on. Others haven't even bothered to put fingers to keyboard. Hence I fall into the camp that welcomes FCA involvement - well in the UK at any rate. Yes, FCA membership will cost money and may have a minor impact on returns. At the same time I expect there will be more than one or two P2P/P2B's just fade away. The first thing that any potential investor will look for though will be the FCA logo. Irrespective, if I don't feel comfortable for whatever reason then I do not lend/invest.
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Post by taavi on Feb 27, 2014 12:28:26 GMT
You know the rest. Are people in Estonia, Euroland, really paying over 20% on their loans? Does anyone here have enough command of the language to be certain the borrowers really exist, they're in the phone book, if you phone a few they are indeed borrowers. Who audits their accounts, the bloke next door or an internationally recognised auditor (I know that's not a stone cold guarantee but still, Madoff comes to mind) I've made some efforts to verify the bona fides of their two Non Exec directors (they have linkedin pages); erm, I haven't found a trail which tells me they are heavyweight people with contacts, clout, judgement etc I'm uncomfortable writing this; I just set out on the path on first principles, and I don't have all the skills to properly see it through. Can someone reassure me I'm just being paranoid, please. Yes, the borrowers really exist and the people in Estonia are really paying over 20% interest on their loans. The average interest rates here are higher than in most of the western Europe. I've invested at isePankur since 2010 and as a disclaimer, started working at isePankur since January this year. If you have any specific questions, write to customer support.
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Post by james on Feb 27, 2014 16:58:01 GMT
The central bank publishes interest rate figures and yes, the rates are normal enough for that market, at least before allowing for isePankur's added fees, which take them above it quite often, though not to a worrying degree.
So yes you're being unduly worried but no, you're not being paranoid to consider such things. Remember Madoff and many others where pros with large resources were conned. If the pros can't protect themselves you must assume that you also can't sufficiently protect yourself and diversify for protection.
Don't assume that any platform is safe. I'm aware of one that might have to pay out a large amount of money because it got key regulatory requirements wrong and more in penalties because it didn't promptly notify its regulator and start to make the proper payments when it first found the problem. No amount of diversification between borrowers on one platform can protect you from that sort of thing where a large percentage of all loans may be affected by a shared error. I'm not at present willing to say more about this specific case, so please don't ask.
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Post by ajscotland on Apr 4, 2014 19:41:41 GMT
You are absolutely right to question the bona fides; I did the same before I dipped my toe in the water.
I was comforted by what I have found on the Intranet so for instance this forum; a comprehensive forum on the site itself; and the fact that there are a lot of stats which I recognise could be a lot of junk
I have yet to find out whether the company is profitable; adequately capitalised and what the contingency is if they go under. I will do more digging before I invest I invest more deeply.
I have invested in several P2Ps to spread my bets. I watched and waited to get a feel before making any serious investment
Hope this helps
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