ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 4, 2016 14:23:40 GMT
Bot .......  Nah, this more like it, sites overrun with them apparently  One on the ends a bit slow at deploying though. 
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jonno
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Post by jonno on Jan 4, 2016 14:28:21 GMT
Bot ....... Nah, this more like it, sites overrun with them apparently One on the ends a bit slow at deploying though. Must be a Bum Bot 
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 14:29:50 GMT
A company should keep happy the investors. If I have availability for 20k immediately and want to put 5k on this loan, I am not happy to get exactly the same as another investor asking for 300. I was happier with the previous system, even when I got 15% of my requests because that was what everyone was getting. I am totally unhappy to receive 6% of my request when someone is getting 100%. I am also very unhappy to see someone 'lucky' getting 8000k I am also very unhappy to see the SM literally bombarded by very fast bots... and SS doing absolutely nothing about it... (if they don't care, the only solution is to put down mine....tonight will prepare it!)I bid £800 (no over bidding) which is my target. I got £300. I am very happy with this. Under the old system, with you expecting the best part of the loan I would have got much much less. Do not expect me to side with you. Do you think that you are the only one who have money to invest? By the way, since you are so displeased that you want to sell your part, can you please make us the honour to tell us exactly at what time you intend to do this? I simply said I found the previous allocation system fairer than this and not that I dislike the investment opportunities at SS. I have no intention to sell my part of 74, but rather buy other parts of it (also with automated bids if necessary). Need to tweak a few things on my set-up and code to be competitive and plan to do it tonight... If you want to test my set-up will be very pleased to attempt to beat the other bots in buying your parts overnight
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Jan 4, 2016 14:30:16 GMT
I bid £800 (no over bidding) which is my target. I got £300. I am very happy with this. Under the old system, with you expecting the best part of the loan I would have got much much less. And this is the thing, isn't it? If Hor is going to sulk because he didn't get the lion's share of the £5k he wanted, then we can only presume he'd have been massively over-bidding under the old scheme. There is now precisely zero point in over-bidding, so there will be no gaming of the allocation. Many more people will be satisfied with what they have been allocated.
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ablender
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Post by ablender on Jan 4, 2016 14:40:12 GMT
If bots operate, they don't do so out of hours. There can be many loans with availability for extended periods in the wee hours. It's very easy to appear bot like though, when something comes up for sale click through to the page, click on the amount to fund box, hit a load of numbers (doesn't matter what or how much) and hit enter. Hey presto, it's all yours, then throw back what you don't want. Quick fingers can do it all in about one or two seconds, as the page 'soft' re-loads every 4 seconds, a sale can go through before some people even know its there. BTW I'm in the 4 figure per loan category, but realise it's somewhat selfish to want the same amount in all loans, regardless of size. This method means I can reduce the diligence required on smaller loans and focus my effort on the larger ones, makes the platform more time efficient for me. We just need a Stream of £2m loans now... I can guarantee 100% with traces on my hand that there are very very fast bots operating on the SS SM. I have written automation code for years (also for satellite systems) and can see clearly that those actions are not hand-made in any sense. They even beat my current prototype bot (slow to be honest; i used to use it to collect slow data, not for speed racing)... So, let me understand. I am not an expert in this so it might take me a while. You say that you have years of experience in this kind of coding - I suppose on a professional level - given that satellites are involved (I do not think that these are available to amateurs). Yet, you cannot write a bod which is among the fastest. Is this some kind of professional jealousy?
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ablender
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Post by ablender on Jan 4, 2016 14:42:19 GMT
The old way would have been fair if prefunding was for the amounts people really wanted and was not inflated. One way to achieve that would be to restrict prefunding to available funds but that suggestion was very unpopular. I personally would have preferred that option of prefunding with full cash hands-down, as my funds are real and ready to invest. In any case this is the situation now and will adapt as I can. One of the advantages and distinguishing features of SS is the allowance to bid and then transfer money and settle. This is aimed at reducing cash drag. And you are complaining about it and want it gone!? 
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Post by queenvictoria on Jan 4, 2016 14:48:18 GMT
So you were quite happy to put £5k into a £320k loan, you can't quite understand why that wouldn't scale, and you feel singled out and hard done by? Sorry, but... This really does strike me as the fairest way so far. You've got a bunch of people sat around your kitchen table, and a lovely freshly-baked cake. The cake isn't big enough to give everybody the size of slice they want. So what do you do? You give all those who only want a small slice that, then you give everybody else the same. You don't give half the cake to the fat b'std in the corner who wants the whole thing to himself, do you? A company should keep happy the investors. If I have availability for 20k immediately and want to put 5k on this loan, I am not happy to get exactly the same as another investor asking for 300. I was happier with the previous system, even when I got 15% of my requests because that was what everyone was getting. I am totally unhappy to receive 6% of my request when someone is getting 100%. I am also very unhappy to see someone 'lucky' getting 8000k I am also very unhappy to see the SM literally bombarded by very fast bots... and SS doing absolutely nothing about it... (if they don't care, the only solution is to put down mine....tonight will prepare it!) I don't agree with you on the allocation system, hor1997, but I do concur on the bots point. It seems to me that the cake analogy (sadly, you have been cast as the fat b***rd in the corner, I fear) works for allocation. For what its worth I wanted £5,000 and got £300 but am fine with that on the basis of a fair system. I am now busily trying to buy some bits and pieces on the SM but as fast as my fingers will go I cannot beat the bots - very, very frustrating.
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oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jan 4, 2016 14:48:30 GMT
"Yet, you cannot write a bod which is among the fastest"
@hor1997 did not say that, or even imply that. The bot he describes was developed for slow data. Later tonight, however ....
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ablender
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Post by ablender on Jan 4, 2016 14:50:37 GMT
"Yet, you cannot write a bod which is among the fastest"
@hor1997 did not say that, or even imply that. The bot he describes was developed for slow data. Later tonight, however ....
Do you think it will have blazing rockets at the back?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 14:51:20 GMT
I can guarantee 100% with traces on my hand that there are very very fast bots operating on the SS SM. I have written automation code for years (also for satellite systems) and can see clearly that those actions are not hand-made in any sense. They even beat my current prototype bot (slow to be honest; i used to use it to collect slow data, not for speed racing)... So, let me understand. I am not an expert in this so it might take me a while. You say that you have years of experience in this kind of coding - I suppose on a professional level - given that satellites are involved (I do not think that these are available to amateurs). Yet, you cannot write a bod which is among the fastest. Is this some kind of professional jealousy? Once again your fantasy is going too far. I have years of experience in automation coding, which does not mean FASTEST BID coding.... Up to now I did not have the need to code a fast bot. For scientific applications on top of the (slowish) data collection you write lots of other layers, so certainly my code is not (and never meant to be) optimised for speed. I quickly derived from my previous code a prototype bot (written in less than 10 minutes in a work break and launched from a mobile connection....) just to see how it behaves and is not fast enough. Will do the necessary work tonight from a stable set-up and then will see the results. I am confident it will buy parts for me...
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ablender
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Post by ablender on Jan 4, 2016 14:54:12 GMT
So, let me understand. I am not an expert in this so it might take me a while. You say that you have years of experience in this kind of coding - I suppose on a professional level - given that satellites are involved (I do not think that these are available to amateurs). Yet, you cannot write a bod which is among the fastest. Is this some kind of professional jealousy? Once again your fantasy is going too far. I have years of experience in automation coding, which does not mean FASTEST BID coding.... Up to now I did not have the need to code a fast bot. For scientific applications on top of the (slowish) data collection you write lots of other layers, so certainly my code is not (and never meant to be) optimised for speed. I quickly derived from my previous code a prototype bot (written in less than 10 minutes in a work break and launched from a mobile connection....) just to see how it behaves and is not fast enough. Will do the necessary work tonight from a stable set-up and then will see the results. I am confident it will buy parts for me... That is very interesting. In a previous post you can of launched a challenge to other bot users. I do not have one and have no idea how to code one. In the interest of research would you be willing to share your code? We can then agree on a time and launch them and see what happens. The variable would be the different internet services we have.
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jonno
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Post by jonno on Jan 4, 2016 14:55:13 GMT
"Yet, you cannot write a bod which is among the fastest"
@hor1997 did not say that, or even imply that. The bot he describes was developed for slow data. Later tonight, however ....
Do you think it will have blazing rockets at the back? He's on his way back to his lair on Tracy Island as we speak. Unfortunately,the satellite bot wot he wrote was for John on Thunderbird 5 so there were strings attached.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 14:55:15 GMT
"Yet, you cannot write a bod which is among the fastest"
@hor1997 did not say that, or even imply that. The bot he describes was developed for slow data. Later tonight, however ....
Do you think it will have blazing rockets at the back? A lower-ping connection will help more than rockets... Will see tonight.
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Post by pom on Jan 4, 2016 15:00:30 GMT
I'm trying to remember what savingstream said their stance was on bots.... would be such a shame if they identify/ban you.... but it'd give you something else to complain about anyway Edit thanks for the spillchucking jonno  |
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ablender
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Post by ablender on Jan 4, 2016 15:01:22 GMT
Do you think it will have blazing rockets at the back? A lower-ping connection will help more than rockets... Will see tonight. I did a quick ping test on the internet and it gave me these figures: ping - 34ms; jitter - 5ms. How does this rate?
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One on the ends a bit slow at deploying though.
