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Post by tomtom on Jan 1, 2016 15:00:43 GMT
Good afternoon, I have jusy joined this p2p site and brought couple of parts on PM board and now looking at SM board but would like some advise regarding part on the SM board.
Buyer Rate 4.6% Sale price £24.24 Premium £0.4 (1.7%) current rate 9.8% Risc band B
Loan length 24 months remain payment 9
Also could someone please explain to me why there a premium added to some loans.
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Post by SteveT on Jan 1, 2016 15:16:16 GMT
Good afternoon, I have jusy joined this p2p site and brought couple of parts on PM board and now looking at SM board but would like some advise regarding part on the SM board. Buyer Rate 4.6% Sale price £24.24 Premium £0.4 (1.7%) current rate 9.8% Risc band B Loan length 24 months remain payment 9 Also could someone please explain to me why there a premium added to some loans. thank Sellers can apply a premium (or a discount) to their parts when listing them for sale on the SM. This reduces the Buyer Rate to something less than the original rate on that loan part (or increases it, for a discount). In your example, the 1.7% premium asked by the Seller would reduce the original rate of 9.8% to an effective Buyer Rate of just 4.6% over the remaining term of the loan (and less still were it to be repaid early). A very poor offer indeed, IMHO !
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Post by tomtom on Jan 1, 2016 15:29:08 GMT
Thank you for your reply;
Can you please explain why a premium is added to some sales as it would seem to me to be a reason why people should by the part.
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Post by SteveT on Jan 1, 2016 15:36:00 GMT
Thank you for your reply; Can you please explain why a premium is added to some sales as it would seem to me to be a reason why people should by the part. Sellers add premiums where they have parts that they think other lenders may be willing to buy at a lower rate than the part originally carried (effectively banking a profit on the sale of that part). Most of the parts currently listed at high premiums are in loans that pre-date FC's move to all Fixed Rate auctions, where the original interest rate might be a lot higher than the current fixed rates (I still have a few A+ parts paying 13.8% which would sell instantly even if I listed them at the maximum 3% premium that FC permit).
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Post by SteveT on Jan 1, 2016 15:43:39 GMT
Generally speaking, there is very limited value on the SM this week, it being the Xmas / New Year lull. With very few PM loans available (currently none!) and lots of people with time on their hands looking to invest money quickly, it's very much a Sellers' market at the moment. By late January the PM should be back up to 20+ new loans per day and SM sellers will be having to work harder to sell on their parts, offering rather better value to buyers. But don't tell everyone that or else they'll stop buying all the parts I'm looking to sell at a fat profit!!
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Post by ratrace on Jan 1, 2016 15:47:05 GMT
Thank you for your reply; Can you please explain why a premium is added to some sales as it would seem to me to be a reason why people should by the part. The reason you tend to have to pay a bigger premium on loans at this late stage of its repayment cycle, is because there viewed as a lower risk then buying them more early in the repayment cycle. So sellers feel that buyers will be more willing to buy these loans at lower rates.
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Post by kaya on Jan 1, 2016 16:01:09 GMT
Good afternoon, I have jusy joined this p2p site and brought couple of parts on PM board and now looking at SM board but would like some advise regarding part on the SM board. Buyer Rate 4.6% Sale price £24.24 Premium £0.4 (1.7%) current rate 9.8% Risc band B Loan length 24 months remain payment 9 Also could someone please explain to me why there a premium added to some loans. thank I would strongly suggest that you do not buy anything on the secondary market untill you completely understand it. The example you quote is very poor value and should most definately be avoided!
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Post by ratrace on Jan 1, 2016 16:10:54 GMT
As stevet has pointed out, now is not a good time to be buying on the SM. As the lack of loans on the PM forces buyers to look for loans parts on the SM and so pushes up premiums for the loans you have buy on the SM. lts best to wait for there to be much stronger demand on the PM. Which forces sellers to lower their premiums in order to get a quicker sale of their loan parts.
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Post by ratrace on Jan 1, 2016 16:20:15 GMT
As a general rule am not willing to pay more then a 0.5%+ premium on a loan. lf there is none on the loan parts that am interested in, then am not willing to buy them until there is such a offer. This way it helps to stop you from buying loans on the SM when there is poor value on offer.
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Post by tomtom on Jan 1, 2016 17:16:17 GMT
Thank you for all your comments, beginning to see that I need much more information regarding the SM so could you please comment on the following .
Original loan was £80,000 at 9.2% over 60 months Risc band C . 28 payments made 32 remaining next payment of 26 Jan.2016 Bad debt risk 3.2%
Loan is in two parts: Part 1 Buyer rate 9.2% selling price £47.26 Part 2. Buyer rate 9% selling price £35.37
Why is the two parts rates different?
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Post by ablender on Jan 1, 2016 17:25:15 GMT
Thank you for all your comments, beginning to see that I need much more information regarding the SM so could you please comment on the following . Original loan was £80,000 at 9.2% over 60 months Risc band C . 28 payments made 32 remaining next payment of 26 Jan.2016 Bad debt risk 3.2% Loan is in two parts: Part 1 Buyer rate 9.2% selling price £47.26 Part 2. Buyer rate 9% selling price £35.37 Why is the two parts rates different? Thank Do they have different premiums? Also the principal that you are buying is likely to be different.
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Post by am on Jan 1, 2016 17:35:15 GMT
Thank you for all your comments, beginning to see that I need much more information regarding the SM so could you please comment on the following . Original loan was £80,000 at 9.2% over 60 months Risc band C . 28 payments made 32 remaining next payment of 26 Jan.2016 Bad debt risk 3.2% Loan is in two parts: Part 1 Buyer rate 9.2% selling price £47.26 Part 2. Buyer rate 9% selling price £35.37 Why is the two parts rates different? Thank Back in the day when that loan was taken out loans were funded by reverse auctions. That resulted in loans being made up of loan parts with different rates. So if even if people offer them on the secondary market at par, they may well have different rates. You can be better off buying a loan part lent at the marginal rate at a premium that a loan part lent at a lower rate at par. On the other hand if loan parts are sold a different premiums/discounts they would have different buyer rates even if the original rate was the same. (I guess one of these loan parts started at £80 and the other at £60.) If you give us the loan number (and the parts haven't been sold) someone could give a more precise explanation specific to these loan parts.
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Post by tomtom on Jan 1, 2016 17:37:40 GMT
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Post by SteveT on Jan 1, 2016 17:42:03 GMT
Both of those parts are listed at par so the original rate on each part will be the same as offered as the Buyer Rate now (possible rounding error excepted). As am has explained, non-property loans up until a couple of months ago were filled by reverse auction so parts are held at a wide variety of rates, depending how well the buyer did originally. In this instance, the 9.2% part is clearly the better deal over the 9.0% part. [That said, I don't tend to hold anything older than 6 months and I'd certainly be nervous about this loan, given the sector they are operating in (oil & gas). 9.2% is a long way below the current fixed rates that B loans are sold at on the PM (10% - 10.6% depending on term) so personally I'd give it a miss and wait for some decent new PM loans to be listed next week]
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Post by metoo on Jan 1, 2016 18:14:56 GMT
You can see the new fixed rates for the Primary Market here support.fundingcircle.com/entries/83969385-What-are-fixed-rates-and-how-do-they-workFixed rates started 28 September 2015. Many loans lent before fixed rates came in can be bought at higher Buyer Rates on the Secondary Market. It's always wise to consider the risks of the particular companies, but also spread your investment across at least 100 different companies over time, probably more is better. There is no hurry. For a given Buyer Rate, a lower Premium (or higher Discount, ie negative Premium) is better in case of early repayment.
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