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DFL001
Jan 8, 2016 8:28:53 GMT
Post by adrianc on Jan 8, 2016 8:28:53 GMT
ablender This loan is almost certainly replacing 4a/b in which case the valaution makes no mention of flooding. I thought somebody with a clue about the area said that there was no way that part of town would stand those values, so it must be elsewhere?
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DFL001
Jan 8, 2016 10:31:32 GMT
Post by ilmoro on Jan 8, 2016 10:31:32 GMT
ablender This loan is almost certainly replacing 4a/b in which case the valaution makes no mention of flooding. I thought somebody with a clue about the area said that there was no way that part of town would stand those values, so it must be elsewhere? Maybe, but I was going on SS statement further up this thread 'and have finally offered to this borrower in Exeter to provide the construction costs on top of the original land loan' which ties in with the latest comments on these two loans. There is also this bit in the valuation for 4b ' your customer has proposed a scheme which on part of the site will consist of 10 executive style detached homes' p5 which given the title of the DFL001 loan seems a coincidence. If I remember correctly the post referred to was a straight value/10 calc but that wouldnt take into account any value for the rest of the land/scheme and the existing dwelling (might not be included this time) Just google mapped the area referred to by the original post & its 2k from this site so not sure the original post is accurate Time will tell
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DFL001
Jan 8, 2016 10:43:45 GMT
Post by adrianc on Jan 8, 2016 10:43:45 GMT
I thought somebody with a clue about the area said that there was no way that part of town would stand those values, so it must be elsewhere? Maybe, but I was going on SS statement further up this thread 'and have finally offered to this borrower in Exeter to provide the construction costs on top of the original land loan' which ties in with the latest comments on these two loans. There is also this bit in the valuation for 4b ' your customer has proposed a scheme which on part of the site will consist of 10 executive style detached homes' p5 which given the title of the DFL001 loan seems a coincidence. If I remember correctly the post referred to was a straight value/10 calc but that wouldnt take into account any value for the rest of the land/scheme and the existing dwelling (might not be included this time) Just google mapped the area referred to by the original post & its 2k from this site so not sure the original post is accurate Time will tell Furry muff. That does sound rather compelling.
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DFL001
Jan 8, 2016 19:01:40 GMT
Post by agent69 on Jan 8, 2016 19:01:40 GMT
I thought somebody with a clue about the area said that there was no way that part of town would stand those values, so it must be elsewhere? Maybe, but I was going on SS statement further up this thread 'and have finally offered to this borrower in Exeter to provide the construction costs on top of the original land loan' which ties in with the latest comments on these two loans. There is also this bit in the valuation for 4b ' your customer has proposed a scheme which on part of the site will consist of 10 executive style detached homes' p5 which given the title of the DFL001 loan seems a coincidence. If I remember correctly the post referred to was a straight value/10 calc but that wouldnt take into account any value for the rest of the land/scheme and the existing dwelling (might not be included this time) Just google mapped the area referred to by the original post & its 2k from this site so not sure the original post is accurate Time will tell lmoro, adrianc Sorry if my post in the pipeline loan page has led you off the scent. I was not suggesting that the land was near Burnthouse Lane, it was just a comment on the inequality between the haves (£850k per house) and the have nots (http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Careless-tenants-push-council-pound-200-000-red/story-15919274-detail/story.html and www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Burnthouse-Lane-axeman-claimed-son-Lucifer/story-26442034-detail/story.html). Using Ilmoro's assertion that DFL 001 was the next stage after PBL 4a, 4b, I was passing by this afternoon so had a look at the site of B's bungalow. It's accessible from a short private access road off of O.. R.. L.. There is a big set of gates on the private road so you can't get down to the bungalow itself. Had a rummage around the internet and found some advertising blurb from the agent that sold the land (sale by informal tender no later than Tuesday 15th September 2015). The site has outline planning for 63 dwellings, split into 2 plots. The posh plot has 10 houses on the site of the old bungalow, the not so posh plot has 53 houses / flats in the field beyond. Full planning was granted for construction of 4 x 5 bed houses at the site of the old Bungalow on 2nd July 2015. The guide price for the posh plot was £2m and £1.2m for the mass market plot. The site is wedged in between the motorway and the main railway line. I wouldn't have thought it an obvious flooding candidate, as opposed to land on the other side of the motorway, which is always under water.
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DFL001
Jan 8, 2016 19:25:10 GMT
Post by pom on Jan 8, 2016 19:25:10 GMT
Maybe, but I was going on SS statement further up this thread 'and have finally offered to this borrower in Exeter to provide the construction costs on top of the original land loan' which ties in with the latest comments on these two loans. There is also this bit in the valuation for 4b ' your customer has proposed a scheme which on part of the site will consist of 10 executive style detached homes' p5 which given the title of the DFL001 loan seems a coincidence. If I remember correctly the post referred to was a straight value/10 calc but that wouldnt take into account any value for the rest of the land/scheme and the existing dwelling (might not be included this time) Just google mapped the area referred to by the original post & its 2k from this site so not sure the original post is accurate Time will tell lmoro, adrianc Sorry if my post in the pipeline loan page has led you off the scent. I was not suggesting that the land was near Burnthouse Lane, it was just a comment on the inequality between the haves (£850k per house) and the have nots (http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Careless-tenants-push-council-pound-200-000-red/story-15919274-detail/story.html and www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Burnthouse-Lane-axeman-claimed-son-Lucifer/story-26442034-detail/story.html). Using Ilmoro's assertion that DFL 001 was the next stage after PBL 4a, 4b, I was passing by this afternoon so had a look at the site of B's bungalow. It's accessible from a short private access road off of O.. R.. L.. There is a big set of gates on the private road so you can't get down to the bungalow itself. Had a rummage around the internet and found some advertising blurb from the agent that sold the land (sale by informal tender no later than Tuesday 15th September 2015). The site has outline planning for 63 dwellings, split into 2 plots. The posh plot has 10 houses on the site of the old bungalow, the not so posh plot has 53 houses / flats in the field beyond. Full planning was granted for construction of 4 x 5 bed houses at the site of the old Bungalow on 2nd July 2015. The guide price for the posh plot was £2m and £1.2m for the mass market plot. The site is wedged in between the motorway and the main railway line. I wouldn't have thought it an obvious flooding candidate, as opposed to land on the other side of the motorway, which is always under water. I also passed "approximately" today and also concluded it probably wasn't anywhere near flood risk (I didn't think it was but figured as I was headed that way I'd remind myself of the terrain)...that side of the motorway is significantly higher, you'd like to think that no-one would ever consider developing the other side (tho that doesn't seem to be stopping them a couple of junctions up). The developments in that area do seem to be very popular....(can't see it myself, far too close to the motorway etc but it takes all sorts)
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DFL001
Jan 8, 2016 22:55:42 GMT
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Post by sam i am on Jan 12, 2016 21:09:05 GMT
Maybe the high price is explained by the fact that they put a Ferrari and a Range Rover in the garage for you...
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DFL001
Jan 12, 2016 21:57:26 GMT
Post by ilmoro on Jan 12, 2016 21:57:26 GMT
Maybe thats where MT hides his cars Thanks for the eyewitness views pom agent69. I cheated and just drove around the area on Streetmaps from the comfort of my armchair The flooding assessment from the original application is on the planning site Now we just need SS to get the loan launched so my speculation can be validated (or not) plus the minor point of having something to invest in
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DFL001
Jan 12, 2016 21:58:47 GMT
Post by GSV3MIaC on Jan 12, 2016 21:58:47 GMT
Maybe the high price is explained by the fact that they put a Ferrari and a Range Rover in the garage for you... Perhaps it comes with the super yacht?
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DFL001
Mar 5, 2016 10:34:30 GMT
Post by ladywhitenap on Mar 5, 2016 10:34:30 GMT
DFL001 itself seems to have disappeared as a reference in the pipeline but I've been looking at the Exeter Quayside DFL which seems to be the most mature at stage 3.
This states that the loan will be released on a first come first served basis. How will this work - implies something different from the usual prefunding model that we are normally offered?
It is a couple of month since the DFL was mentioned by SS so perhaps overdue for an update on the process for these class of loans?
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Mar 5, 2016 10:36:15 GMT
Post by cooling_dude on Mar 5, 2016 10:36:15 GMT
DFL001 itself seems to have disappeared as a reference in the pipeline but I've been looking at the Exeter Quayside DFL which seems to be the most mature at stage 3. This states that the loan will be released on a first come first served basis. How will this work - implies something different from the usual prefunding model that we are normally offered? It is a couple of month since the DFL was mentioned by SS so perhaps overdue for an update on the process for these class of loans? TIA LW DFL = Development Finance Loan DFL is a new type of loan from SS. There are no DFL loans currently live, so we're not entirely sure what to expect. However, the basics are that the indicated value of the security is defined by the Gross Development Value (after the completed project). As such SS will provide staged payments of the indicated loan. More information from savingstream about DFL is posted Here
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DFL001
Mar 5, 2016 10:44:51 GMT
Post by oldgrumpy on Mar 5, 2016 10:44:51 GMT
ladywhitenap Seeing as I have prefunded ExeterQ, and from various information given by SS I understand the DFL loans will be drawndown in tranches as the work progresses, I think the first tranche (size of which is not given) will be as usual, then subesequent tranches released on the SM as and when they are drawn - first come first served according to the SM rules of the day. It appears that DFL1 will be the first DFL to "float" (ahem... ), which has surprised SS, and the other one (formerly DFL1) will be renumbered when it is ready.
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DFL001
Mar 5, 2016 14:30:16 GMT
Post by ladywhitenap on Mar 5, 2016 14:30:16 GMT
ladywhitenap Seeing as I have prefunded ExeterQ, and from various information given by SS I understand the DFL loans will be drawndown in tranches as the work progresses, I think the first tranche (size of which is not given) will be as usual, then subsequent tranches released on the SM as and when they are drawn - first come first served according to the SM rules of the day. It appears that DFL1 will be the first DFL to "float" (ahem... ), which has surprised SS, and the other one (formerly DFL1) will be renumbered when it is ready. You could well be correct OG but it would be nice to hear it from SS as thus far the pipeline entry seems to contradict itself. I'm very much a SS fan but their written work as directed towards investors, could be improved upon to remove both ambiguity and contradiction at times. LW
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