oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jan 22, 2016 18:27:11 GMT
It is good to see the new pipeline loan list, and we have all noted that many interest rates are on the low side. andrewholgate has explained clearly on another thread how the pipeline of loans develops, and why, to be competitive, rates often need to be well sub 10%, especially if "loan quality" is to be maintained (!). I note that many of the SME loans in the pipeline are now being offered with only "business assets" as security, yet offer just 7-9.5% interest rates. That I feel is a cause for concern. Such interest rates with property + business assets would be one thing. Without the property back-up, not so. Personal Guarantees can not be relied on. Of course, I recall the loan to a plumber which was secured primarily on business assets, (+ his property) and those assets, together with the cash from a £700K loan had almost all "disappeared" within very few months. The borrower had to sell his home, yet we still expect to lose about half our capital. That loan (increased within just a few weeks of initiation) was at 12%, and it might be said we took the rate for the risk. Maybe the argument will be, "go look at Frosted Cereals with their 6-8% (after fee) unsecured offerings". I feel that a failing company about to default will have already lost most of its "business assets" before it "goes under". OK, don't come back at me with the "don't like - don't invest" line. I just feel that the trend is a change in what AC has to offer. Curry time.
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Post by j on Jan 22, 2016 18:33:06 GMT
Fingers burnt with Plumber man, won't repeat same mistake again. Property-backed loans all the way for me so, yes 'if you don't like, don't invest' scenario will be applicable for me on a number of loans.
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Post by chris on Jan 22, 2016 18:36:25 GMT
If you wait for the credit report you'll see more details and can ask questions on the specifics. This is a pipeline, these aren't finalised loan offers, the rates being offered can go up if we feel that's needed to reflect the risk, and you don't have the details of the loans yet. Please treat it as such.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jan 22, 2016 18:36:31 GMT
That was quick! Only just put the rice on edit: Didn't want chris to spend a lot of time on this thread.
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Post by chris on Jan 22, 2016 18:38:00 GMT
That was quick! Only just put the rice on Took me 9 minutes, your rice should be almost ready!
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jan 22, 2016 18:41:24 GMT
That was quick! Only just put the rice on Took me 9 minutes, your rice should be almost ready! Nearly. Home made lamb curry (from scratch) .... and don't post up an image of a handsome primate scratching!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by pepperpot on Jan 22, 2016 19:06:03 GMT
You said nothing about an ugly one... Don't think I wanna know what's being scratched though. (maybe the after effects of the curry are starting to take their toll)
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jan 22, 2016 19:13:56 GMT
You said nothing about an ugly one... Don't think I wanna know what's being scratched though. (maybe the after effects of the curry are starting to take their toll) Yes, yes, Peppers!!!! I thought of that as soon as I clicked "submit". That's cousin oldplumpy and we'll overlook what's on his mind, but he's noticed that you are "peeking"!
And yes, the curry was very tasty, thank you.
Come on - no more Fred Drift. Discuss loans/rates with non-property security.
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Post by SteveT on Jan 22, 2016 19:39:01 GMT
Having been burned (or at least painfully singed) by the opticians within weeks of joining AC, I'm now deeply sceptical of any security that isn't attached to substantial foundations. If AC manage to recover all lenders' funds from that mess then I WILL be impressed.
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Post by jonah on Jan 22, 2016 21:35:26 GMT
Whilst I've not had a good curry in ages, I agree with the principles above... I come to AC for secured lending, but I will await completed particulars before writing off any of the new loans.
Thinking about it a little further, I don't actually do any unsecured lending... Maybe I should diversify.
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Post by andrewholgate on Jan 23, 2016 9:37:46 GMT
Wait for the credit report. More details will be added there.
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