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Post by kt on Aug 5, 2016 16:07:10 GMT
The shape of things to come in property loans.
When a property is valued, is it at the current market value or the presumed value in the 18 months it will take to completion?
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Post by blender on Aug 5, 2016 19:23:18 GMT
Unfortunately the loan contracts allow the loans to overrun by 90 days at the same interest rate and without penalty. My suspicion is that FC property may have been using this as routine slack in the project timescales rather than adding necessary slack into the term and forcing the borrowers to borrow the interest and fees (which affects LTV).
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Post by fasty on Aug 5, 2016 23:07:42 GMT
I'm trying to understand the exact significance of the comment made by FC against the (ever-so-late) London short-term property loans :
"...We can confirm that interest on this loan has increased by 2% which is applicable from the date of expiry..."
I assume that the borrower is being expected to pay 2% more than the existing 10% rate. Will lenders also see this increase in interest?
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Post by blender on Aug 6, 2016 7:45:49 GMT
Yes. Lenders receive interest, FC receives fees. Always.
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Post by fasty on Aug 6, 2016 9:19:13 GMT
Yes. Lenders receive interest, FC receives fees. Always. Yes, that's fairly fundamental, isn't it! OK, so I was tired. Thanks Blender.
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Post by blender on Aug 6, 2016 9:32:22 GMT
Yes it is the essence of P2P.
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Post by metoo on Aug 9, 2016 20:59:40 GMT
The shape of things to come in property loans. When a property is valued, is it at the current market value or the presumed value in the 18 months it will take to completion? The valuation is always the full market value the RICS valuer believes the completed properties would have in the current market when the valuation is carried out. This has been confirmed by FC in Q&A. RICS valuers don't and couldn't predict what the market will do in the future - no one knows. The valuers have to work to the RICS approved process when making their valuation. Of course, if a sale were needed quickly to repay the loan in a default situation it might be necessary to drop the price substantially, perhaps down to 75% of whatever the market value is come the day. Alternative valuations like this with various caveats are probably in the reports, but FC doesn't share reports with us so we have to make our own assumptions. Note that for later tranches of ongoing projects, the valuation is still the original one done when the first tranche was listed. Market prices have probably moved since then, in recent times generally upwards. Refinancing onto new loans usually comes with an updated valuation.
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Post by baronhardup on Oct 2, 2016 16:29:31 GMT
Seems like the (ever-so-late) London short-term property loans have no end date!!!
These 8 month loans due for repayment by around the end of April 2016 are now 5 months late and are still not settled. Looks to me like M*****N LTD who took out the loans never had any intention of repaying them by the due date! You have to wonder what FC is playing at. Reassuring noises, certainly, but no movement and sight of my cash or outstanding interest.
Is it not about time they foreclosed on this loan and invoked OUR first charge?
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Post by blender on Oct 2, 2016 16:57:32 GMT
Please remove the borrower's name, your lordship.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Oct 2, 2016 19:16:51 GMT
Are these the one(s) where the borrower never did actually buy the property, and were shopping around? In which case "first charge on WHAT, exactly?"
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Post by am on Oct 2, 2016 21:18:29 GMT
Are these the one(s) where the borrower never did actually buy the property, and were shopping around? In which case "first charge on WHAT, exactly?" I believe not. And in the case of the one(s) where the borrowers never did actually buy any properties, there's a charge on their current portfolio. That loan had a business plan of selling their current portfolio (which repays the FC loan) and buying different properties giving a higher return. (I haven't seen any recent mentions of that loan - anyone know the current state?)
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Post by blender on Oct 2, 2016 21:25:49 GMT
Are these the one(s) where the borrower never did actually buy the property, and were shopping around? In which case "first charge on WHAT, exactly?" I believe not. And in the case of the one(s) where the borrowers never did actually buy any properties, there's a charge on their current portfolio. That loan had a business plan of selling their current portfolio (which repays the FC loan) and buying different properties giving a higher return. (I haven't seen any recent mentions of that loan - anyone know the current state?) Correct. The loan paid off the mortgages so that the borrowers could buy other properties. They were to sell the existing properties to repay. We do not know whether they have bought or sold anything, but the loan is not yet to term. Probably not a loan to be holding when the music stops.
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Post by am on Oct 2, 2016 22:14:53 GMT
I believe not. And in the case of the one(s) where the borrowers never did actually buy any properties, there's a charge on their current portfolio. That loan had a business plan of selling their current portfolio (which repays the FC loan) and buying different properties giving a higher return. (I haven't seen any recent mentions of that loan - anyone know the current state?) Correct. The loan paid off the mortgages so that the borrowers could buy other properties. They were to sell the existing properties to repay. We do not know whether they have bought or sold anything, but the loan is not yet to term. Probably not a loan to be holding when the music stops. What the borrowers "needed" in that case was not a loan, but a line of credit. In hindsight FC should have sent them elsewhere, but perhaps FC weren't to know that their hopes of finding properties to purchase were overoptimistic. I'm not in that loan because I don't trust London valuations and (IIRC) because of execution risk in the borrowers business plans. As it panned out the borrowers have spent a lot of money on excess interest. I hope they can extract themselves from the loan without further loss.
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Post by blender on Oct 3, 2016 8:20:08 GMT
There is still just time for lenders to exit on most tranches.
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Post by treeman on Oct 3, 2016 10:10:44 GMT
There is still just time for lenders to exit on most tranches. Out of interest - which loan(s) was this ?
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