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Post by valerieb on Mar 24, 2014 16:09:24 GMT
You've really gone and done it now Merlin. I better get on and put all my AC loans up for sale pronto. Nice one,bracknellboy!
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Post by oldgrumpy on Mar 24, 2014 16:20:58 GMT
We just got a bit of cash out of the fresh air, credited today
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Post by elljay on Mar 24, 2014 18:29:41 GMT
(Ey-up ... better not mention trumpets )
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Post by merlin on Mar 24, 2014 20:37:41 GMT
The MBR escalator may have run its course, but rates still haven't got to where FC wanted to put them last July, when they first tried, so I suspect more may yet happen. You could well be right about MBR's still going up further. So those unfortunate individuals stuck with loans already well below MBR would be well advised to dump them ASAP or be prepared to run them the full course given the current performance of the aftermarket.
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Post by merlin on Mar 24, 2014 20:40:23 GMT
You've really gone and done it now Merlin. I better get on and put all my AC loans up for sale pronto. Hi BB. Could not resist that rather awful pun!
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Post by blender on Mar 27, 2014 8:37:12 GMT
Looking at the number of unsold loan parts at par or a discount this morning it is down to 18K and you might think that liquidity is improving. But no, I also see that I have 16 pages of processing because the restoration to normal repayments on 27th has not happened, yet. About 10% of loans are unsaleable anyway through this 'scheduled migration' to another direct debit provider, or 'move' as we might say. So perhaps 10% of the loan parts for sale have been removed also? Now we cannot even list them for sale, let alone sell them. I must be fair, I sold one yesterday for £14.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 27, 2014 9:55:44 GMT
I'm always vague about what happens to a 'for sale' loan part when it goes through 'processing' .. sometimes they seem to turn up on my 'sell individually' list afterwards (i.e. I guess they are removed from sale, whether temporarily or permanently I can't tell) but sometimes they aren't, they just go back on sale at a lower price. Like much of FC, "is mystery" .. is there an instruction manual?!
And how come 5556 is 'processing' with a 26/mar payment date when it only turned into a loan minutes ago?
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Post by yorkshireman on Mar 27, 2014 13:16:04 GMT
And how come 5556 is 'processing' with a 26/mar payment date when it only turned into a loan minutes ago? I was alluding to this on another thread yesterday after I had sold a boat load of parts at double the mark up.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 28, 2014 8:48:37 GMT
I'm not sure what you alluded, but anyway it was obviously an error since first payment is now scheduled for 26/Apr. As usual, no 'oops sorry' from FC .. I really do think they must just hope nobody notices these things. They must hate me. 8>.
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Post by aloanatlast on Mar 28, 2014 10:31:44 GMT
It wasn't the only one. They did the same with the vet the day before. Yes FC we noticed that as well.
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Post by blender on Mar 28, 2014 11:22:41 GMT
I have been locked into FC by the lack of liquidity (except by selling at a hefty discount). The following, from 'How it works', does not reflect the situation which has persisted for months now and is not getting better. Something for the regulator to chew on next week.
'Investing at Funding Circle allows you to have access to your money when you need it by selling your parts of loans on to other investors. On average it takes 2 days to access your money, when you sell the loan parts at par value. It’s easy to sell your loan parts to other investors as they start earning interest immediately, as opposed to waiting for up to 14 days for an auction to end, and it allows them to quickly build a well diversified portfolio of loans.'
The average lender is locked in and so my avatar has been locked in until the above statement resembles the actuality.
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Post by blender on Mar 30, 2014 13:20:44 GMT
Congratulations today to FC for reaching 20,000 unsold loan parts at par or a discount. And tomorrow every loan request exceeding £52k is currently not fully funded - that should be fun! Official forumites are unable to comment. Crisis? What crisis?
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Post by agent69 on Mar 30, 2014 14:03:06 GMT
Fortunately (more by luck than judgement) I cashed in most of my holdings just after Christmas (leaving me with just the £300k default, the posh west end cafe and our ferrous friend). Given the way rates are going up I was seriously thinking of dipping my toe back in the water.
I'm currently in Batu Ferringhi and am a bit twitchy about topping up my account from a dodgy internet cafe. Hopefully all those nice highly priced loan parts won't have disappeared before I get home at the end of next week.
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Post by fasty on Mar 30, 2014 14:15:35 GMT
Congratulations today to FC for reaching 20,000 unsold loan parts at par or a discount. And tomorrow every loan request exceeding £52k is currently not fully funded - that should be fun! Official forumites are unable to comment. Crisis? What crisis? Yes, it's going to be fun. It's a shame I can't be on my perky internet connection at home otherwise I might be able to snipe my first 15% ;-) Bidding from my mobile just doesn't cut it though. About 30 of those 20,000 on sale at par are mine; most have been circulating for weeks. As they drop off I politely pop them back on again. Speaking of which, I was well miffed when FC dumped several of my loan parts off sale for "processing" within hours of me putting them on. When "processing" finished, they remained off sale. Glad I made a list.
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Post by mijewen on Mar 30, 2014 17:50:51 GMT
I'm in the same position - I have become seriously disenchanted with Funding Circle, and decided to sell up. The problem is - I can't. Most of my portfolio sold at par over about a six-week period, but I still had about £7K that had sat on my for sale list till they timed out twice. I experimented with relisting them a few times to see if recently listed parts would sell quicker (a suggestion from a forum "in another place"), but that didn't help, so I have been gradually increasing the discount because I want to be out, almost at any cost. I sold three loans this week at -1.2%, and now, I'm down to £171 out of pocket (apart from the £3K that is tied up in late / unresolved loans).
I tackled FC about the wording on their web site (also noted above by Blender) ...
... and they made a statement that the wording would be revised before last weekend - but I see it is still there.
One of the reasons for my discontent with Funding Circle is the obfuscation of the facts all over their site. Like political spin, they don't actually lie (or at least, I don't think they do), but they certainly give a very favourable impression of their operation where it is frequently unwarranted - and the above quote is one such. Perhaps it is true that the average time to sell loan parts at par is under two days, but the way it is worded - "On average it takes 2 days to access your money" does not give the impression that loan parts, advertised at par, can sit on the "for sale" list for 14 days - then another 14 days - then another 14 days!
When I first joined and was all enthusiastic about FC, I moved about 15% of my savings to it, and was of a mind to move all of them, as interest rates everywhere else were so poor, but a number of things bothered me about it, and I decided instead, to move them to a managed, world-wide fund on the stock market (the Purisma fund) which made 24% last year. I don't expect it to do that every year, and I'm sure it will not be as predictable as income from lending, but I'm betting on it being better than Funding Circle over a period of several years. Also - somebody else does all the work of managing it, where with FC, the time I have spent on it has yielded less than the minimum wage, after losses due to tax and defaults are taken into account. I also have deep suspicion about their recovery process when loans go bad. I have a feeling that it is not in FC's financial interest to spend time and effort chasing debts for which other people (us) have taken all the risk.
There was a loan in the past (No. 759) that went South, and FC paid out because they said that fraud had been involved - but that's the only one they have ever paid on as far as I know, although there have been several others that have defaulted very shortly after taking a large loan, and have certainly had a smell of fraud about them. I might be tempted to do some detective work, but frankly, I've lost interest. I'm out - or will be ASAP.
Funding Circle seemed very attractive at first, but the first big dent to my confidence came when they introduced MBR's. I hadn't really analysed my reasons at the time, but I just felt uneasy about messing with a market. In fact, now that it has this constriction, I'm not sure it can be called a market any more, as it is no longer regulated by market forces. Now that I'm trying to sell up, I have a better understanding of that uneasy feeling I had.
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