jonbvn
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Post by jonbvn on Mar 6, 2017 9:46:07 GMT
Thanks for the quick, comprehensive and honest replies. I think it will be cancel the sale and cross fingers. So by the comment that interest is still accruing whilst the loan is 'in default' does that mean I will be credited the interest earns each month until something else happens? No interest will be credited until the loan is sold or repaid (whenever that may be). Of course there is a possibility you may not got any interest and/or there may be capital loss.
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Post by dandy on Mar 6, 2017 9:57:27 GMT
Remember the golden rule of high-return P2P: Anything over 7%ish should be assumed to tend towards 7% over the long term.Interesting way of looking at it. I imagine it will be much lower moving forward, sub 5%
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Post by am on Mar 6, 2017 11:16:22 GMT
Mod hat on/ I have just merged the new thread created with the existing PBL81 thread which I have re-titled to indicate it's current status. I am sure the OP will change the title if the loan status changes again. /Mod hat off/ You should never work on the assumption that loan parts will sell on the SM, the SM can change very quickly for a variety of reasons, and you may be a long time selling or even have to hold loan parts to their eventual conclusion, which could potentially be years and may result in either loss of accrued interest and/or capital. However, at least reading updates on a regular basis should alert you to some events that may be foreseen. The recent update on this loan can be seen here, and in the first post of that thread as others have indicated. Back when the loan started the borrower had a buyer for the property subject to various modifications being made, which made the loan look relatively safe. The latest update says that the property is being marketed, which suggests that the original prospective buyer has gone away. (I hope that the modifications requested by that buyer are not the cause of the planning problems. However, since savingstream and their solicitors do not seem to have sought evidence that there was planning permission for the modifications it seems more likely that the modifications were of a nature that did not need planning permission, and the problems were preexisting.)
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Post by twoheads on Mar 6, 2017 11:21:42 GMT
It has been written about on the forum elsewhere, that if you 'buy the market' (e.g. 0.01% of every loan available across multiple platforms) and then leave every purchased loan alone to live out its natural life then there seems to be a consensus that you would make about 7% PA.
So far of course, SS has done much better than that but I do not expect that to last now we lend to the borrowers directly and not to Lendy acting as an intermediary.
I believe that by careful management you can increase your profit well beyond this 7% 'market' rate. But is the increase big enough to justify the time spent in managing? That's an entirely personal choice which only the investor can make for him/herself.
There is at least one investor on this forum (I can't remember the name) who seems to be doing just that (although this is a guess, inferred from posts made here).
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 6, 2017 12:03:18 GMT
I am a relatively new investor. things have been going great so far. Yesterday though I noticed one of my loans pbl081 was in default. I panicked a bit and put all my loan parts up for sale. Usually within a few hours and sometimes minutes, any loan put up for sale is snapped up, but this morning all my loan parts are still 'available'. now Im assuming that this is because its in default and not of much interest. So advice please. I know while its up for sale its not earning, but if I cancel the sale and keep the loan does it still earn interest in default and if ultimately it all goes wrong I assume I should get my money back as per the in house compensation scheme but do i get the interest the loan has earned at all? Or do I just 'assume' it will all sort itself out and stop worrying Any pointers would be appreciated The question that occurs to me was why werent you aware that one of you loans was going to be in default after 1/3? Did you read the new default policy issued mid-Feb? Were you aware of it? (if you signed up after mid-feb was it made obvious to you on sign up?) (Where is it displayed on the site & why havent T&Cs been updated to reference it?) These are general questions, not specifically aimed at you, though your answers would be helpful. From your point of view, if you havent seen the default policy there is a link at the top of the updates thread here and that list also has indicators of all loans that will change status within next 7 days (ones with white arrows) and there also a link at the top to the Negative loan excel spreadsheet which gives a months notice of loans that will change status (at bottom)
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Post by adrianc on Mar 6, 2017 13:06:42 GMT
So far of course, SS has done much better than that but I do not expect that to last now we lend to the borrowers directly and not to Lendy acting as an intermediary. TBF, it's 18mo since the new Ts & Cs came in on every new loan, and some of the older loans migrated. We're down to only 10 loans shown in the update tracker thread as being under the old terms - and I'm less than convinced about the two DFLs being there.
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foxy
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Post by foxy on Mar 6, 2017 13:40:58 GMT
I am a relatively new investor. things have been going great so far. Yesterday though I noticed one of my loans pbl081 was in default. I panicked a bit and put all my loan parts up for sale. Usually within a few hours and sometimes minutes, any loan put up for sale is snapped up, but this morning all my loan parts are still 'available'. now Im assuming that this is because its in default and not of much interest. So advice please. I know while its up for sale its not earning, but if I cancel the sale and keep the loan does it still earn interest in default and if ultimately it all goes wrong I assume I should get my money back as per the in house compensation scheme but do i get the interest the loan has earned at all? Or do I just 'assume' it will all sort itself out and stop worrying Any pointers would be appreciated The question that occurs to me was why werent you aware that one of you loans was going to be in default after 1/3? Did you read the new default policy issued mid-Feb? Were you aware of it? (if you signed up after mid-feb was it made obvious to you on sign up?) (Where is it displayed on the site & why havent T&Cs been updated to reference it?) These are general questions, not specifically aimed at you, though your answers would be helpful. From your point of view, if you havent seen the default policy there is a link at the top of the updates thread here and that list also has indicators of all loans that will change status within next 7 days (ones with white arrows) and there also a link at the top to the Negative loan excel spreadsheet which gives a months notice of loans that will change status (at bottom) Well ilmoro i am a casual investor and have pushed some money towards saving stream and basically left it there to earn 12%, only really looking at it monthly to draw off interest and reinvest if loan repaid. To be honest I didn't even realise we were now lending directly rather than through Lendy let alone read the info on defaut loans. I guess I need to pay more attention and not, as up till now, see it as a simple and easy way to earn a good return!!
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Post by cooling_dude on Mar 6, 2017 14:10:25 GMT
The question that occurs to me was why werent you aware that one of you loans was going to be in default after 1/3? Did you read the new default policy issued mid-Feb? Were you aware of it? (if you signed up after mid-feb was it made obvious to you on sign up?) (Where is it displayed on the site & why havent T&Cs been updated to reference it?) These are general questions, not specifically aimed at you, though your answers would be helpful. From your point of view, if you havent seen the default policy there is a link at the top of the updates thread here and that list also has indicators of all loans that will change status within next 7 days (ones with white arrows) and there also a link at the top to the Negative loan excel spreadsheet which gives a months notice of loans that will change status (at bottom) Well ilmoro i am a casual investor and have pushed some money towards saving stream and basically left it there to earn 12%, only really looking at it monthly to draw off interest and reinvest if loan repaid. To be honest I didn't even realise we were now lending directly rather than through Lendy let alone read the info on defaut loans. I guess I need to pay more attention and not, as up till now, see it as a simple and easy way to earn a good return!! Wow. foxy - I would suggest that SS is not the right platform to place your money. SS is a hands on platform; they ask you to do your own DD. Please don't let the high rates blindside you; if you want hands-off look at safer options such as RS or Bondmason
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 6, 2017 14:14:37 GMT
Well ilmoro i am a casual investor and have pushed some money towards saving stream and basically left it there to earn 12%, only really looking at it monthly to draw off interest and reinvest if loan repaid. To be honest I didn't even realise we were now lending directly rather than through Lendy let alone read the info on defaut loans. I guess I need to pay more attention and not, as up till now, see it as a simple and easy way to earn a good return!! Wow. foxy - I would suggest that SS is not the right platform to place your money. SS is a hands off platform; they ask you to do your own DD. Please don't let the high rates blindside you; if you want hands-off look at safer options such as RS or Bondmason Looks like that should be 'isnt' or 'on'
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Post by cooling_dude on Mar 6, 2017 14:16:40 GMT
Wow. foxy - I would suggest that SS is not the right platform to place your money. SS is a hands off platform; they ask you to do your own DD. Please don't let the high rates blindside you; if you want hands-off look at safer options such as RS or Bondmason Looks like that should be 'isnt' or 'on' Corrected
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 6, 2017 14:16:47 GMT
So far of course, SS has done much better than that but I do not expect that to last now we lend to the borrowers directly and not to Lendy acting as an intermediary. TBF, it's 18mo since the new Ts & Cs came in on every new loan, and some of the older loans migrated. We're down to only 10 loans shown in the update tracker thread as being under the old terms - and I'm less than convinced about the two DFLs being there. Not totally convinced myself, and in fact originally they were below the line, but they are continuations of previous old structure loans and the charges are still in favour of Lendy so in the absence of evidence to the contrary, I moved them up.
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Post by cooling_dude on Mar 6, 2017 14:19:19 GMT
TBF, it's 18mo since the new Ts & Cs came in on every new loan, and some of the older loans migrated. We're down to only 10 loans shown in the update tracker thread as being under the old terms - and I'm less than convinced about the two DFLs being there. Not totally convinced myself, and in fact originally they were below the line, but they are continuations of previous old structure loans and the charges are still in favour of Lendy so in the absence of evidence to the contrary, I moved them up. LR also favours Lendy on both loans, with no mention of SSSH, so it does seem the 2 DFLs are old T&Cs Also worth mentioning that on several loans (that rolled on to new loans, or converted to new T&Cs) there is an existing charge favouring Lendy above SSSH. 55 & 57 are two from the top of my head, and I think there are several more.
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Post by elliotn on Mar 6, 2017 14:53:49 GMT
I am a relatively new investor. things have been going great so far. Yesterday though I noticed one of my loans pbl081 was in default. I panicked a bit and put all my loan parts up for sale. Usually within a few hours and sometimes minutes, any loan put up for sale is snapped up, but this morning all my loan parts are still 'available'. now Im assuming that this is because its in default and not of much interest. So advice please. I know while its up for sale its not earning, but if I cancel the sale and keep the loan does it still earn interest in default and if ultimately it all goes wrong I assume I should get my money back as per the in house compensation scheme but do i get the interest the loan has earned at all? Or do I just 'assume' it will all sort itself out and stop worrying Any pointers would be appreciated Sales may be expected to slow under the Defaulted tab. From 1 March you will no longer receive monthly interest on loans >-90D overdue, this loan will now accrue until settlement (tagged as IA, Interest Accruing on the website). If you cancel your sale you will continue to accrue unpaid interest without interruption although you will lose your position in the sales' queue should you re-sell. If any loan goes wrong you should not expect automatic compensation from the provision fund: i) no p2p platform can guarantee this otherwise this would be an insured savings scheme; ii) you should not assume future defaults will be treated the same as previous ones; iii) SS have just updated their provision fund wording from being held at 2% of the loan book to being replenished to this level from company cashflows (following the sizeable payout for pbl020). For this loan SS have supported Planning Permission remediation from its own capital which should be completed within the next 4 weeks and they appear confident there is sufficient equity to repay the loan in full (there are no firm offers yet). If you wanted to take a subjective view it may be surprising to enforce losses on a loan they have so publicly backed and reiterated equity headroom but you must do your own research and come to your own conclusion.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 6, 2017 15:12:24 GMT
Not totally convinced myself, and in fact originally they were below the line, but they are continuations of previous old structure loans and the charges are still in favour of Lendy so in the absence of evidence to the contrary, I moved them up. LR also favours Lendy on both loans, with no mention of SSSH, so it does seem the 2 DFLs are old T&Cs Also worth mentioning that on several loans (that rolled on to new loans, or converted to new T&Cs) there is an existing charge favouring Lendy above SSSH. 55 & 57 are two from the top of my head, and I think there are several more. I suspect lazy admin rather than actual valid charges. Will probably apply to most if not all loans that have migrated - 37-39 being currently the most relevant.
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Post by lendinglawyer on Mar 6, 2017 15:36:10 GMT
Well ilmoro i am a casual investor and have pushed some money towards saving stream and basically left it there to earn 12%, only really looking at it monthly to draw off interest and reinvest if loan repaid. To be honest I didn't even realise we were now lending directly rather than through Lendy let alone read the info on defaut loans. I guess I need to pay more attention and not, as up till now, see it as a simple and easy way to earn a good return!! Wow. foxy - I would suggest that SS is not the right platform to place your money. SS is a hands on platform; they ask you to do your own DD. Please don't let the high rates blindside you; if you want hands-off look at safer options such as RS or Bondmason You say "wow", but I find the honesty refreshing. I suspect that the users of this forum are in the minority of investors who DON'T see SS this way. If you did a survey of all investors, I strongly suspect you would find a very disappointing majority take the same approach, snaffling up anything in the pipeline/on the SM because others are competing for it so it must be good, etc. etc.
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