bfish
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Post by bfish on Jul 25, 2017 9:24:34 GMT
PBL081 - New build detached house, Leatherhead, Surrey.Strenuous efforts are supposedly being made to market this. Really? This property has been withdrawn from Rightmove... Why is the property not on the market? The Estate Agents say the property IS still available for viewings, but a decision has been taken to 'rest it through the summer' ! So it has been withdrawn from the market and all advertising... until, well sometime in September. I'm sure Lendy will confirm this on their next Update . . . won't they ? ?
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Post by dovap on Jul 25, 2017 12:03:36 GMT
cmon keep up - 'active' marketing for a little over a month hasn't nabbed a sale so pivot and swivel (or summat like that)
inactive marketing - be flying off our hands
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Post by dp on Jul 25, 2017 14:00:05 GMT
PBL081 - New build detached house, Leatherhead, Surrey.Strenuous efforts are supposedly being made to market this. Really? This property has been withdrawn from Rightmove... Why is the property not on the market? The Estate Agents say the property IS still available for viewings, but a decision has been taken to 'rest it through the summer' ! So it has been withdrawn from the market and all advertising... until, well sometime in September. I'm sure Lendy will confirm this on their next Update . . . won't they ? ? Likely the first Lendy know about this, I reckon!
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Post by fp on Jul 25, 2017 18:59:06 GMT
Maybe someone is using it as a summer bolt hole while business is slow through the summer.
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Post by seeingred on Jul 26, 2017 8:46:52 GMT
Rest it? Is the poor thing tired after all that development.
Absolutely ridiculous - no reason not to be on the market.
It is not unknown for houses to be 'rested' for a while but only after a period during which they have been 'done to death' and potential buyers have become both sick and suspicious of all the emails and price reductions - after a while they start to think - what's wrong with the place, been on the market for 6 months, 4 price reductions, must be desperate to get rid of it.
but this property has never been marketed properly at all - at least not with an agent that most people wishing to buy in this price bracket would look to in the first instance. It was only on the market for a few weeks anyway.
"Added on Rightmove: 22 June 2017"
There is therefore no LOGICAL reason for it to be 'rested'.
There may be - indeed there is bound to be - an ulterior motive why it is being effectively hidden from view.
"ulterior motive (plural ulterior motives) An alternative or extrinsic reason for doing something, especially when concealed or when differing from the stated or apparent reason."
So - is it being used rent free by someone during Cowes Week, it is being used as a test bed for Lendy International Marketing Manager junkets or (as was unkindly suggested to me about another property in similar circumstances) is a quiet sale on the cheap being organised to someone who has connections?
It will be interesting to find out whose name ultimately appears on the Land Registry transfer.
EDIT - I'm not really up to speed with linking posts to other names and forum members. Could a few of you, preferably a dozen or so, ask Paul or George at Lendy Towers what is going on?
Thank you.
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Post by Lendy Support on Jul 31, 2017 15:55:46 GMT
We have taken the advice of the LPA Receivers instructed on this case and the property is to be remarketed at £3.5m through a new agent, with new details etc., the existing agent having been dis-instructed. We obviously wish to achieve the highest possible selling price of the property, to minimise any potential investor capital loss, but we need to be guided by the LPA Receiver/estate agent and their advice re the price, which will be reviewed again in one months time, if a sale has not been achieved in the meantime. We are not acting unlawfully, as you suggest, selling the property at a reduced price to a 'connected' party and the property is not being used as a 'Cowes' party house. Kind Regards Lendy Support
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Post by elliotn on Jul 31, 2017 16:27:07 GMT
So where are the after parties?
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Post by fp on Jul 31, 2017 17:54:32 GMT
So where are the after parties? I believe everyone is welcome here:
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Post by seeingred on Aug 14, 2017 12:06:28 GMT
Update May 2017: The agent is planning to visit the site this week and has advised a price over £4m is very achievable.
July - no interest and withdrawn from the market (the poor thing was being rested)
Currently - (added to Rightmove on 12 August) with another agent in Leatherhead at £3.5 million.
It takes time to sell properties of this price/size. There should be no hurry to reduce the price still further?
The loan value is nearly £3 million (against a joke valuation of £4,250,000) and as I recall Lendy used some of their own funds to enable works to be undertaken to put the property back within the planning permissions?
So £3.5 million is about as low as it can go and still return capital to investors and Lendy - let alone all the accrued interest on nearly £3 million for a year or more - lets call that £350,000 in nice round figures.
And of course there are agents fees, and VAT.
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Post by seeingred on Aug 14, 2017 12:26:04 GMT
Looking over the history of this, it seems the first agent used out of date plans and details - yet in the MONTHS during which the property was being 'put back within the planning permissions' there was ample time to prepare what would be the revised plans and details and to pass these to a suitable agent the minute the property was finished - or even before the final touches were added. This might have caught the spring viewing/buying season.
Instead, it left until mid summer to market it with incorrect details and with an unsuitable agent.
You don't sit back and wait for things to happen in preparing to market a property like this - you get on with it and make things happen as fast as possible. Then you sit back and wait for the viewings and offers.
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Post by guff on Aug 14, 2017 13:30:15 GMT
I'm not in this and have not been following, so apologies if it's a daft question - is the apparent lack of urgency down to the LPA receiver or Lendy seeingred ?
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Post by seeingred on Aug 14, 2017 14:34:59 GMT
I'm not in this and have not been following, so apologies if it's a daft question - is the apparent lack of urgency down to the LPA receiver or Lendy seeingred ? Who knows? I'm not in it either but I got interested for some reason way back when. It is a house. Houses have selling seasons, there should have been some consideration of how to get this to market as soon as possible, even with floorplans that could have been published by the agent as 'interim' before they did their own measurements (which they might have wanted to do for legal reasons). As for photos, its 30 minutes work. If I was in this loan I'd be asking questions. The valuation was obviously wrong for a start. How unusual!
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 16, 2017 22:07:03 GMT
The loan value is nearly £3 million (against a joke valuation of £4,250,000) and as I recall Lendy used some of their own funds to enable works to be undertaken to put the property back within the planning permissions? So £3.5 million is about as low as it can go and still return capital to investors and Lendy - let alone all the accrued interest on nearly £3 million for a year or more... IIRC, Lendy have advanced five £50k tranches for the remedial work. (A trawl through the updates showed those.) Also IIRC, Lendy have said -- possibly earlier in this thread -- that those advances rank behind the main loan. If that's correct, Lendy shouldn't get any of their capital back unless their investors receive all of their capital and accrued interest, and accrued bonus. So investors might actually get a return on their investment if the property were to sell reasonably quickly for £3.5M. I haven't a clue how likely that might be.
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Post by GeorgeT on Sept 17, 2017 10:21:22 GMT
The loan value is nearly £3 million (against a joke valuation of £4,250,000) and as I recall Lendy used some of their own funds to enable works to be undertaken to put the property back within the planning permissions? So £3.5 million is about as low as it can go and still return capital to investors and Lendy - let alone all the accrued interest on nearly £3 million for a year or more... IIRC, Lendy have advanced five £50k tranches for the remedial work. (A trawl through the updates showed those.) Also IIRC, Lendy have said -- possibly earlier in this thread -- that those advances rank behind the main loan. If that's correct, Lendy shouldn't get any of their capital back unless their investors receive all of their capital and accrued interest, and accrued bonus. So investors might actually get a return on their investment if the property were to sell reasonably quickly for £3.5M. I haven't a clue how likely that might be. About as likely as a giraffe riding past my house on a bicycle this afternoon. In my opinion.
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Post by reeknralf on Sept 17, 2017 11:42:10 GMT
Whatever is realised from the sale will not cover the capital on the loan. Anyone and everyone who has looked at the loan, including Lendy, have known this ever since it transpired the development didn't have adequate planning.
Lendy have been operating to minimise the damage to the PF. They decided it was better to build the project out, and 'lent' £250k to this end. They knew were never going to get this back, but because the capital short-fall will probably be reduced by more than £250k the PF is effectively quids in. Because no-one is going to get any interest from this loan, there is no cost to Lendy in stalling. Indeed, it makes sense for Lendy to hold out for as long as possible to get the highest price they can for the property. Which is what they are doing.
There are many aspects of PF's I dislike. Here we have a situation where, thanks to the PF, the interests of the platform and those of the investors are diametrically opposed. Lenders would be better off if the property was sold cheap and fast, so they could at least get their capital back and invest it elsewhere. The platform wants to protect the PF, they in effect have a £3m interest-free loan, and so will hold out for the best sale price possible.
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