boble
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Post by boble on Mar 1, 2016 22:15:07 GMT
I'm not clear from this topic whether members that "game" the site do profit from that practice, however, I am guessing that they do if the practice is continuing. Perhaps a "gamer" would be willing to clarify, or we could simply ask SS.
If it is the case that gamers do profit from the practice, then I would certainly support their gamed interest being dissaloud and would advocate that this was added to the Provision Fund, which would provide some protection to genuine Investors.
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Post by sam i am on Mar 1, 2016 22:15:50 GMT
So cooling_dude, do you think you have stimulated the kind of intellectual discussion that you were hoping for?
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cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Mar 1, 2016 22:30:16 GMT
So cooling_dude , do you think you have stimulated the kind of intellectual discussion that you were hoping for? We were all doing alright until the last couple of pages In all honestly not too bad ; I think we have come to a fairly conclusive conclusion in regards to the INFPL credit proposal You know; 99% of the members on this forum are great guys, who regardless of their differing view take part in constructive discussions that at the end of the day can only better the SS platform. Along with that, these same members provide good and friendly advice, tips and genuine help to other investors (new & old alike). The other 1% sling proverbial s*** at the PC screen to see what sticks.....
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Post by Liz on Mar 1, 2016 22:54:41 GMT
I make thousands every month from gaming..... I'm on the game
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Post by sunspot on Mar 1, 2016 22:54:56 GMT
bobleThe issue isn't so much whether it's possible to SUCCESSFULLY cheat the system, as whether people BELIEVE they can cheat the system, and are therefore encouraged to try. If it appears that you can make money by continually churning loans without ever paying for them, then some people will likely attempt to do so. As has been pointed out, SS only actually pay out interest monthly, and should therefore be able to catch those who cheat, but it's entirely possible that damage will have ALREADY been done. It's also worth noting that problems appear to have come to a head on the day when interest is paid out, with large quantities of loans being placed back on the secondary market. This is exactly when I would expect the problem to materialise, because if you're going to pull this con off, near the end of the month is the right time to begin. The fact that it was next to a weekend as well may also have helped, since oversight would likely be less. The solution really is quite simple though - by limiting credit to the existing size of investment, the problem vanishes. The only matter for debate is how to treat new users, I have suggested £2,000 of credit whereas CD has suggested £10,000, which I think is over-generous. That said, I dare say SS have already come to a decision, and are simply waiting for the code to be written before they announce it. It's not a five minute job, but it's not overly difficult either - it'll certainly be sorted before the end of the month, if not the end of the week.
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Post by cooling_dude on Mar 1, 2016 22:55:58 GMT
I make thousands every month from gaming..... I'm on the game I just spat my mouthful of brandy over my laptop thanks to you, you naughty girl
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 1, 2016 23:09:01 GMT
The only matter for debate is how to treat new users, I have suggested £2,000 of credit whereas CD has suggested £10,000, which I think is over-generous. I expect the £10k was suggested because that's the number that SS already use as the amount they're willing to let a new user set as a pre-fund for a pipeline loan.
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Post by goopy on Mar 1, 2016 23:22:53 GMT
Can someone explain what 'gaming' actually means? In previous threads I've understood gaming to mean asking for a lot more than you actually want in prefunding to get what you do actually want. In this thread 'gaming' seems to be trying to get interest without paying for any loans (which SS say they don't do)?
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Post by cooling_dude on Mar 1, 2016 23:25:10 GMT
Can someone explain what 'gaming' actually means? In previous threads I've understood gaming to mean asking for a lot more than you actually want in prefunding to get what you do actually want. In this thread 'gaming' seems to be trying to get interest without paying for any loans (which SS say they don't do)? Primarily, gaming is a term used by us investors where we "game" the PM pre-funding allocation for >1m loans. All these loans you get a % of your allocation, so we game the system by second guessing how much over funded the pre-fund loan is. So if we guess that the pre-fund loan is 2x overfunded, but we want £5000, then we would set our pre-funding to £10,000. However, in this post, I am referring to where it seem some investors are gaming the SM, where they are investing in everything that comes onto the SM, then sells the same investments back onto the SM 48hrs later (or lets SS do it) to benefit from the interest. There seems to be some confusion whether or not interest is indeed paid in this scenario, but in any case, SS have confirmed they are having to place investments back onto the SM because investors have not settled a negative balance. As such, there are cases where there are 100s of thousands (sometimes millions) which are "floating", not earning interest for genuine investors.
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Post by goopy on Mar 1, 2016 23:33:20 GMT
Can someone explain what 'gaming' actually means? In previous threads I've understood gaming to mean asking for a lot more than you actually want in prefunding to get what you do actually want. In this thread 'gaming' seems to be trying to get interest without paying for any loans (which SS say they don't do)? Primarily, gaming is a term used by us investors where we "game" the PM pre-funding allocation for >1m loans. All these loans you get a % of your allocation, so we game the system by second guessing how much over funded the pre-fund loan is. So if we guess that the pre-fund loan is 2x overfunded, but we want £5000, then we would set our pre-funding to £10,000. However, in this post, I am referring to where it seem some investors are gaming the SM, where they are investing in everything that comes onto the SM, then sells the same investments back onto the SM 48hrs later (or lets SS do it) to benefit from the interest. Ahh OK. So the people who think they can get money (interest) for nothing aren't 'gamers', they're delusional?
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Post by ben on Mar 1, 2016 23:34:26 GMT
I think if they never pay then they do not get the interest but there is nothing stopping someone buying a £1000 worth for example keeping it for two days and then selling something else to clear the balance and then do it again a few days later
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Post by cooling_dude on Mar 1, 2016 23:37:56 GMT
The only matter for debate is how to treat new users, I have suggested £2,000 of credit whereas CD has suggested £10,000, which I think is over-generous. I expect the £10k was suggested because that's the number that SS already use as the amount they're willing to let a new user set as a pre-fund for a pipeline loan. Hang on a minute.... Do I need to start another poll....
Ok.... no polls; I promise...... well not yet
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Post by goopy on Mar 1, 2016 23:38:43 GMT
I think if they never pay then they do not get the interest but there is nothing stopping someone buying a £1000 worth for example keeping it for two days and then selling something else to clear the balance and then do it again a few days later In that scenario would they get interest for those two days on £2000?
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Post by cooling_dude on Mar 1, 2016 23:40:13 GMT
I think if they never pay then they do not get the interest but there is nothing stopping someone buying a £1000 worth for example keeping it for two days and then selling something else to clear the balance and then do it again a few days later In that scenario would they get interest for those two days on £2000?
Sorry; I had edited my own post so you may of missed my edited version which contains the following There seems to be some confusion whether or not interest is indeed paid in this scenario, but in any case, SS have confirmed they are having to place investments back onto the SM because investors have not settled a negative balance. As such, there are cases where there are 100s of thousands (sometimes millions) which are "floating", not earning interest for genuine investors.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 1, 2016 23:40:49 GMT
I think if they never pay then they do not get the interest but there is nothing stopping someone buying a £1000 worth for example keeping it for two days and then selling something else to clear the balance and then do it again a few days later I pity the poor folks who would do all that in order to earn 30p on those days when they're overdrawn by £1k at midnight. The phrase 'get a life' comes to mind! Is there a Gamers Anonymous? Where do I go to sign up?
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