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Post by nanniema on Mar 12, 2016 19:55:45 GMT
There's advertising? Really? Good heavens, are there people out there who have not discovered "ad blockers"? I've got a good ad blocker at home. It's a big bloody dog that tries to take the hand off anybody trying to post a flyer through my letterbox.  Did you mean it's a bloody big dog ie. enormous or a big bloody dog ie. enormous and has taken the hand off some- one who has tried to post a flyer?
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 12, 2016 20:04:23 GMT
I find the blocked banner Ad at the top is a bit of a pain, since it displays later than the rest of the page, and therefore moves the heading I was just about to click on, so I wind up with the wrong sub-forum! (Anyone else noticed?) In truth, no. The whole page displays instantly for me. AdBlock Plus and Ghostery on Firefox (on a Mac). Ah, I usually notice it on a tablet, WiFi'd, which is a bit slower. I am using adblock and FF though.
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Post by Estonia Invest on May 16, 2016 23:42:52 GMT
I have only looked at 'chat' because of a general message from the moderators concerned about standards of compliance with the rules and the workload of the mods. I see the problem. I don't mind consenting adults discussing jokes or politics or even making disparaging remarks about the bodily attributes of their spouses, but I do not see what it has to do with p2p or why our volunteer moderators should have to spend their unpaid time reading it, supervising it and discipling those who become over-emotional about these difficult issues. So why not do away with chat, or at the very least ensure that every thread created has some direct relevance to p2p? There are plenty of other sites where dad jokes are welcome, even encouraged, and no doubt moderated by dad-joke enthusiasts. How about agreeing to discuss the EU generally on a nominated sites intended for it, unless the discussion is specifically on the relevance to p2p? It's a p2p site, the p2p site for lenders generally. So why put its reputation and its moderation at risk by straying into irrelevant discussions which make people over-excited and which strain our valuable moderators? Just a suggestion, from a boring old f*rt. Maybe I am getting old, but I actually agree. It's like this: Personally, I am not interested in discussing anything with anyone online besides the actual subject of p2p. That's how it is now, but this may change of course-let's say I get a health problem all of a sudden that I want to discuss online. I would find a relevant medical forum for that, not ask people on the p2p forum about this medical problem. If time of volunteer moderators is limited it would be more beneficial for that time to go to answering p2p questions and educating people about p2p.
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Post by cooling_dude on May 17, 2016 21:23:24 GMT
I have only looked at 'chat' because of a general message from the moderators concerned about standards of compliance with the rules and the workload of the mods. I see the problem. I don't mind consenting adults discussing jokes or politics or even making disparaging remarks about the bodily attributes of their spouses, but I do not see what it has to do with p2p or why our volunteer moderators should have to spend their unpaid time reading it, supervising it and discipling those who become over-emotional about these difficult issues. So why not do away with chat, or at the very least ensure that every thread created has some direct relevance to p2p? There are plenty of other sites where dad jokes are welcome, even encouraged, and no doubt moderated by dad-joke enthusiasts. How about agreeing to discuss the EU generally on a nominated sites intended for it, unless the discussion is specifically on the relevance to p2p? It's a p2p site, the p2p site for lenders generally. So why put its reputation and its moderation at risk by straying into irrelevant discussions which make people over-excited and which strain our valuable moderators? Just a suggestion, from a boring old f*rt. Maybe I am getting old, but I actually agree. It's like this: Personally, I am not interested in discussing anything with anyone online besides the actual subject of p2p. That's how it is now, but this may change of course-let's say I get a health problem all of a sudden that I want to discuss online. I would find a relevant medical forum for that, not ask people on the p2p forum about this medical problem. If time of volunteer moderators is limited it would be more beneficial for that time to go to answering p2p questions and educating people about p2p. I'd like to think that this forum is a forum with like-minded members, with similar interests and knowledge of certain subjects besides P2P; such interests & knowledge can be discussed & shared in the chat section. Your scenario is extreme; in the event you have a health problem you shouldn't be looking for any forum; you should go to a doctor. That's not a joke or a jibe, I'm being deadly serious; all too many people seek medical advice from forums when they should go to a doctor.
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Post by yorkshireman on May 17, 2016 22:18:47 GMT
Try as I may I could not find any link between P2P and the “Junior doctor contract dispute / strike” thread which started with the question “What do people think of what is going on? Does anybody have any questions I can try and answer from a personal perspective?"
So why, if the mods are as overstretched as claimed, was that thread allowed to run to 8 pages recently?
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Post by registerme on May 18, 2016 1:03:10 GMT
/mod hat off It's a fair question, and a fair comment. I don't have a perfect answer. And you know what, I suspect "we" (ie the mods) don't have a perfect answer, and I think... we're... comfortable with that. There are twelve of us. As of my writing there are just under one thousand nine hundred registered members. When I was recruited there were... I'll guess at six mods. I came "on board" immediately before a particular kerfuffle on a particular platform's sub-forum. It was a rude awakening to how much care, and how much time, might be required. I don't think "we" are overwhelmed, now. But I can see how "they" were before the recruitment round in which I came on board. In case there's any doubt about it, that's not me bigging myself up, quite the opposite. We want to maintain as light and delicate a touch with regard to moderation as possible. Without having confered with my colleagues I think I can say, with confidence, that we >>abhor<< censorship. It's just... fundamentally at odds with the p2p ethos. Yet the rules are simple - be polite, be constructive, and if you are concerned about a post, or find a post offensive, use the report button (this is important, don't get dragged into a flamebait discussion, use the report button!). Like you, yorkshireman, I was neck deep in the EU / Brexit thread (I became a mod shortly before that thread vanished into a black hole - I recused myself from the mod debate about it precisely because I had been so involved in the discussion), but we're a community. We're a community that relies on different views for its health. Sometimes that means you're going to laugh, when other people hear noise. Sometimes you're going to think, when other people see nonsense. Sometimes you're going to pull your hair out when other people are deep in discourse. But sometimes that forum newbie asking the question that's already been asked just might live down the road from that development loan that you've been presented with. And can go have a look. Threads about Brexit, or the NHS, or... whatever else, well, if it's in the "Chat" section then the mods are necessarily going to pay less attention to it. But again, to be really, really, clear, we will treat with you, forumites, correcly. We expect you to treat with each other the same way. Be polite. Be constructive. And if you're really offended by a post then use the report button. If nothing else it makes our (mods) lives easier. And for that, I thank you . |
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Post by yorkshireman on May 18, 2016 20:45:54 GMT
/mod hat off It's a fair question, and a fair comment. I don't have a perfect answer. And you know what, I suspect "we" (ie the mods) don't have a perfect answer, and I think... we're... comfortable with that. There are twelve of us. As of my writing there are just under one thousand nine hundred registered members. When I was recruited there were... I'll guess at six mods. I came "on board" immediately before a particular kerfuffle on a particular platform's sub-forum. It was a rude awakening to how much care, and how much time, might be required. I don't think "we" are overwhelmed, now. But I can see how "they" were before the recruitment round in which I came on board. In case there's any doubt about it, that's not me bigging myself up, quite the opposite. We want to maintain as light and delicate a touch with regard to moderation as possible. Without having confered with my colleagues I think I can say, with confidence, that we >>abhor<< censorship. It's just... fundamentally at odds with the p2p ethos. Yet the rules are simple - be polite, be constructive, and if you are concerned about a post, or find a post offensive, use the report button (this is important, don't get dragged into a flamebait discussion, use the report button!). Like you, yorkshireman , I was neck deep in the EU / Brexit thread (I became a mod shortly before that thread vanished into a black hole - I recused myself from the mod debate about it precisely because I had been so involved in the discussion), but we're a community. We're a community that relies on different views for its health. Sometimes that means you're going to laugh, when other people hear noise. Sometimes you're going to think, when other people see nonsense. Sometimes you're going to pull your hair out when other people are deep in discourse. But sometimes that forum newbie asking the question that's already been asked just might live down the road from that development loan that you've been presented with. And can go have a look. Threads about Brexit, or the NHS, or... whatever else, well, if it's in the "Chat" section then the mods are necessarily going to pay less attention to it. But again, to be really, really, clear, we will treat with you, forumites, correcly. We expect you to treat with each other the same way. Be polite. Be constructive. And if you're really offended by a post then use the report button. If nothing else it makes our (mods) lives easier. And for that, I thank you . Whilst I’ve “liked” the post, I find the statement “Threads about Brexit, or the NHS, or... whatever else, well, if it's in the "Chat" section then the mods are necessarily going to pay less attention to it” somewhat contradictory. Some of the issues which are raised in the “Chat” section such as Brexit or the NHS are possibly going to encourage some people, myself included, to express strongly held and maybe controversial views which I would have thought require greater attention from the mods than P2P related topics which of course brings us back to the original comment, should we do away with "Chat"? Having said that, I agree with the principles of the post and I’ve also discovered a new word, recused, I’ve never heard that in my life!
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Post by cooling_dude on May 18, 2016 21:01:59 GMT
/mod hat off It's a fair question, and a fair comment. I don't have a perfect answer. And you know what, I suspect "we" (ie the mods) don't have a perfect answer, and I think... we're... comfortable with that. Being a yorkshireman, that could be any one of those words in that post.....  Sorry... couldn't resist.... 
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Post by yorkshireman on May 18, 2016 21:10:10 GMT
I’ve also discovered a new word, recused, I’ve never heard that in my life! Being a yorkshireman, that could be any one of those words in that post..... Sorry... couldn't resist.... In order to assist the mods, I may have to report that post.
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Post by wildlife2 on May 18, 2016 21:11:30 GMT
I thought the chat corner was to talk about anything so that we don't become addicted to P2P  , and to discuss the price of bananas/milk/brandy snaps.
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Post by registerme on May 19, 2016 8:30:28 GMT
Some of the issues which are raised in the “Chat” section such as Brexit or the NHS are possibly going to encourage some people, myself included, to express strongly held and maybe controversial views which I would have thought require greater attention from the mods than P2P related topics which of course brings us back to the original comment, should we do away with "Chat"? That's a fair point. Perhaps I would have been better to have said something like "... the mods would like to spend less time on posts in the Chat section"? Anyway, do I think we should do away with "Chat"? No, I don't, because I think it helps engender that sense of community I mentioned, and can be an amusing diversion (looking directly at your frozen parrot joke there yorkshireman!). On another point, I think I share a concern about the "signal to noise ratio", particularly with forum member numbers climbing. But I don't think we can "legislate" against that, the best I've come up with being "lead by example". If anybody has any better ideas I am all ears .
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Post by uncletone on May 19, 2016 9:17:59 GMT
One wonders, if a person thinks the Chat section is an unnecessary discussion area, a waste of time, and might result in strongly held views erupting into arguments, why that person wastes their time reading it and upsetting themselves?
I am against any suggestion that reduces my humanity.
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Post by adrianc on May 19, 2016 11:11:28 GMT
I am against any suggestion that reduces my humanity. You're... human?
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Post by uncletone on May 19, 2016 20:53:23 GMT
I am against any suggestion that reduces my humanity. You're... human? I used to reserve it for weekends, but I've become a little slapdash in my dotage...
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, and to discuss the price of bananas/milk/brandy snaps.
