james
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Post by james on Mar 22, 2016 17:16:43 GMT
Interesting email today saying that "Over time the number of these loans will continue to decline and we will retire this product from your Lending Summary as and when all your loans have been closed". So that appears to be a statement that it'll stick around for at least the next 25 years. Quite possibly longer depending on how some of the loans with token payments or very small arrangements or in various other default states take to run off.
I don't think that it really will stick around until all loans have been closed normally. I assume that at some point it'll become cheaper just to buy the loans and pay all outstanding interest as well as the capital rather than maintaining the relevant parts of the systems. Or maybe Zopa would just make dirt cheap settlement offers to the borrowers so we bear the cost of closing out the product.
I do, though, wonder whether new customers for Zopa Plus realise that they are committing to a business relationship with Zopa that is likely to last longer than a mortgage and which can't be transferred.
How long do you think it'll take until the last one is closed?
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Post by gricehead on Mar 22, 2016 18:10:53 GMT
Having somewhat painfully recreated a list of my "open" Pre-Safeguard loans, merging my last "good" copy of OldMLB, my debtors file and a current MLB download, I find I have 70 Open Pre-Safeguard loans, of which:
6 are "Red Lates" (No realistic chance of further capital being recovered) 9 are "Amber Lates" (Interest but no Capital being recovered, or minimal/occasional Capital being recovered, or irratic behaviour within arrangement) 7 are "Green Lates" (Regular, reasonable Capital payments being recovered) - 6 of these are defaults. 48 On time loans, the last of which will be paid up in June 2018
Assuming consistent monthly payments at the current rates, the last of the Green Lates will pay up some time in 2024.
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Post by james on Mar 22, 2016 21:26:06 GMT
9 are "Amber Lates" (Interest but no Capital being recovered, or minimal/occasional Capital being recovered, or irratic behaviour within arrangement) It's the estimate for these that I think ends up setting the upper bound of how long it'll take.
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Post by gricehead on Mar 22, 2016 21:40:00 GMT
9 are "Amber Lates" (Interest but no Capital being recovered, or minimal/occasional Capital being recovered, or irratic behaviour within arrangement) It's the estimate for these that I think ends up setting the upper bound of how long it'll take. In all honesty, they're Amber because I expect to see some (maybe a large chunk) of the capital returned, but I don't expect any of them to be fully repaid.
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Post by propman on Mar 23, 2016 8:26:38 GMT
I do, though, wonder whether new customers for Zopa Plus realise that they are committing to a business relationship with Zopa that is likely to last longer than a mortgage and which can't be transferred. Yes, but after say 2-3 years post term, any repayment is basically a bonus with the Zopa account not an investment, merely an occasional source of pin money. I wouldn't worry about the "relationship" if that was all I had.
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