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Post by ben on Apr 11, 2016 16:52:07 GMT
Guessing maybe £400 max allocation ? Quite a few recent newbies on the site looking for a slice. probably not even that with the last few paying back to
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markdirac
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Post by markdirac on Apr 11, 2016 17:27:56 GMT
never get my go live email as same time as others always find out on here first them mine arrive a few hours later I am wondering if sometimes I do not get Go Live emails at all. What/when was the last loan before this Emsworth one? Has there been one since the Derbyshire care village?
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Post by mikes1531 on Apr 11, 2016 18:26:25 GMT
Guessing maybe £400 max allocation ? Quite a few recent newbies on the site looking for a slice. probably not even that with the last few paying back to I'd think £200 is more likely.
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Post by paulgul on Apr 12, 2016 7:50:24 GMT
never get my go live email as same time as others always find out on here first them mine arrive a few hours later Has there been one since the Derbyshire care village? No, prior to yesterdays, Derbyshire was the last one I've received
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 8:51:32 GMT
Am I looking at the wrong data or have things changed in the past week or so? On the pipiline I read:
PBL 91 - Public house conversion to residential, Emsworth
Value: 435k (was it 300k?)
Loan: 304k (was it 210k?)
It also seems the valutation document has been messed up totally.
The Valuation Date is reported as 6 March 2016 (the original one), but the report starts with "Instructions. On 4 April 2016 you requested....".
Furthermore: a) the GDV table include finance calculated at 8% (less than half paid here). This should be revised.
b) We are lending this guy more than he paid for the whole place initially (he paid 290k, we lend 304k??). This looks crazy to me. The security is too weak compared to current market prices.
What SS is lending (304k) correspond to: 93,5% of the marketed-initially requested price 105% of the market price really paid few months ago.
This looks to me too far from the Prudential 70% max LTV SS has set for the network. I have put to zero all my prefunding, at least until I understand what is going on.
I hate when things suddenly change with no reason and no explanation. It would have been much better to have a second document explaining what new facts have been considered...
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Post by poppyland on Apr 12, 2016 9:14:35 GMT
This is a scary. SS is my favourite platform, and I would hate them to be getting careless. Are they really lending more to this guy than he paid for the place? If so, presumably they have a good reason.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 12, 2016 9:19:43 GMT
Am I looking at the wrong data or have things changed in the past week or so? On the pipiline I read: PBL 91 - Public house conversion to residential, Emsworth Value: 435k (was it 300k?) Loan: 304k (was it 210k?) It also seems the valutation document has been messed up totally. The Valuation Date is reported as 6 March 2016 (the original one), but the report starts with "Instructions. On 4 April 2016 you requested....". Furthermore: a) the GDV table include finance calculated at 8% (less than half paid here). This should be revised. b) We are lending this guy more than he paid for the whole place initially (he paid 290k, we lend 304k??). This looks crazy to me. The security is too weak compared to current market prices. I hate when things suddenly change with no reason and no explanation. It would have been mch better to have a second document expaining what new facts have been considered... The got planning so value increased and loan increased to maintain LTV. I expect valuation is a retread amended to reflect planning. Valuation is worked back from GDV to give residual current value. No idea why finance so low. Report is dated 6/4 but inspection done 8/3 so definately an updated version
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Post by goopy on Apr 12, 2016 9:25:16 GMT
Am I looking at the wrong data or have things changed in the past week or so? On the pipiline I read: PBL 91 - Public house conversion to residential, Emsworth Value: 435k (was it 300k?) Loan: 304k (was it 210k?) It also seems the valutation document has been messed up totally. The Valuation Date is reported as 6 March 2016 (the original one), but the report starts with "Instructions. On 4 April 2016 you requested....". Furthermore: a) the GDV table include finance calculated at 8% (less than half paid here). This should be revised. b) We are lending this guy more than he paid for the whole place initially (he paid 290k, we lend 304k??). This looks crazy to me. The security is too weak compared to current market prices. What SS is lending (304k) correspond to: 93,5% of the marketed-initially requested price 105% of the market price really paid few months ago. This looks to me too far from the Prudential 70% max LTV SS has set for the network. I have put to zero all my prefunding, at least until I understand what is going on. I hate when things suddenly change with no reason and no explanation. It would have been much better to have a second document explaining what new facts have been considered... I agree, I don't think anyone should invest in this loan.. Leave it all to me....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 9:28:41 GMT
Am I looking at the wrong data or have things changed in the past week or so? On the pipiline I read: PBL 91 - Public house conversion to residential, Emsworth Value: 435k (was it 300k?) Loan: 304k (was it 210k?) It also seems the valutation document has been messed up totally. The Valuation Date is reported as 6 March 2016 (the original one), but the report starts with "Instructions. On 4 April 2016 you requested....". Furthermore: a) the GDV table include finance calculated at 8% (less than half paid here). This should be revised. b) We are lending this guy more than he paid for the whole place initially (he paid 290k, we lend 304k??). This looks crazy to me. The security is too weak compared to current market prices. I hate when things suddenly change with no reason and no explanation. It would have been mch better to have a second document expaining what new facts have been considered... The got planning so value increased and loan increased to maintain LTV. I expect valuation is a retread amended to reflect planning. Valuation is worked back from GDV to give residual current value. No idea why finance so low The calculation of the 'residual value' can and should only be used as a theoretical exercise when you don't have market data (and is anyway subject to so many variable that you can manipulate it in the directions you like). The fact is that in this case we have a pretty clear market value of 290k, which is exactly the price paid few weeks ago for this same security. There cannot be a more accurate estimate of the security value (which is all that matters to me as a lender) than this market price.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 9:34:15 GMT
I agree, I don't think anyone should invest in this loan.. Leave it all to me.... Let be clear on this: the development might be successfull (even is unlikely in the proportions written in the latest valuation report). I am not questioning that. But the current security on this precise loan was marketed at 325k for many months (since 2013) and sold on the open market at 290k. In my view that is the key current value. If SS lend more than that, it is effectively taking a risk which goes beyond prudency and starts depending on the development efficiency itself and on the assumptions that, once completed and marketed, those flats will sell at the forecast prices (if the market gets a dip down...). So, this should be seen effectively as a development loan...
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Post by SteveT on Apr 12, 2016 9:38:43 GMT
I agree, I don't think anyone should invest in this loan.. Leave it all to me.... Let be clear on this: the development might be successfull (even is unlikely in the proportions written in the latest valuation report). I am not questioning that. But the current security on this precise loan was marketed at 325k for many months (since 2013) and sold on the open market at 290k. In my view that is the key current value. If SS lend more than that, it is effectively taking a risk which goes beyond prudency and starts depending on the development efficiency itself and on the assumptions that, once completed and marketed, those flats will sell at the forecast prices (if the market gets a dip down...). So, this should be seen effectively as a development loan... Did you not see the update added by SS 3 days ago (" New valuation in after recent grant of planning permission uplifted value to £435k") or is your argument that securing planning consent adds no value to a plot / premises?
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Post by dp on Apr 12, 2016 9:39:01 GMT
Is there anyway to know the loan term before launch?
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 12, 2016 9:48:21 GMT
The got planning so value increased and loan increased to maintain LTV. I expect valuation is a retread amended to reflect planning. Valuation is worked back from GDV to give residual current value. No idea why finance so low The calculation of the 'residual value' can and should only be used as a theoretical exercise when you don't have market data (and is anyway subject to so many variable that you can manipulate it in the directions you like). The fact is that in this case we have a pretty clear market value of 290k, which is exactly the price paid few weeks ago for this same security. There cannot be a more accurate estimate of the security value (which is all that matters to me as a lender) than this market price. Nearly all SS loans are valued on a residual value where there is a development project element involved but they are lending against current security value (PBL) rather than GDV (DFL) value. Dont have them to hand but prettt sure N-U-L & Liverpool pipeline loans are also on a residual basis. I assume this is the standard method to take into account the value of planning for a specific project. It is heavily caveated. Finance costs are for half build time so is that 16%?
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Post by savingstream on Apr 12, 2016 9:55:31 GMT
Am I looking at the wrong data or have things changed in the past week or so? On the pipiline I read: PBL 91 - Public house conversion to residential, Emsworth Value: 435k (was it 300k?) Loan: 304k (was it 210k?) It also seems the valutation document has been messed up totally. The Valuation Date is reported as 6 March 2016 (the original one), but the report starts with "Instructions. On 4 April 2016 you requested....". Furthermore: a) the GDV table include finance calculated at 8% (less than half paid here). This should be revised. b) We are lending this guy more than he paid for the whole place initially (he paid 290k, we lend 304k??). This looks crazy to me. The security is too weak compared to current market prices. What SS is lending (304k) correspond to: 93,5% of the marketed-initially requested price 105% of the market price really paid few months ago. This looks to me too far from the Prudential 70% max LTV SS has set for the network. I have put to zero all my prefunding, at least until I understand what is going on. I hate when things suddenly change with no reason and no explanation. It would have been much better to have a second document explaining what new facts have been considered... They got planning on the site in the past week. The valuation thus increased, we lend against the valuation.
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Post by dodgeydave on Apr 12, 2016 9:56:43 GMT
Is there anyway to know the loan term before launch? Look on the loan and then PARTICULARS.
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