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Post by ydobon on Apr 6, 2016 8:15:45 GMT
Excuse me if this has been answered elsewhere (I did have a quick search), but when are Zopa likely to update our accounts to show income statements for the year ending 05/04/2016? I have a few pennies clinging on that I should probably declare.
Are they usually fairly timely with this? Can't really be bothered e-mailing them over 15p or so!
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Post by aju on Apr 6, 2016 9:19:59 GMT
I remember that they usually have come out in a couple of months after end point in the past not sure if the recent system changes will speed or delay this. Since tax for 2015/16 does not need to be sorted with HMRC until Sept/Jan depending on methods it may not be much quicker than this. I've been wrong in the past so it may be earlier. Also there are recent changes to tax/zopa fees etc this year that may mean changes to the output reports so there may be delays there as well.
Hope this helps.
I'm not sure this year but I have always done this stuff in the past and HMRC were not that bothered about small sums. Their rounding etc to whole pounds may not be bothered by 15p!. I think they round down but don't quote me on that.
My wife is not a tax payer so we usually fill out forms to reclaim any tax etc around June time for her I usually have to pay more tax on the zopa stuff as a side issue as well. Sometimes just by letter sometimes they send additional forms. As I say this year things seem to be different so it may change again.
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Post by spiral on Apr 6, 2016 9:32:28 GMT
Since tax for 2015/16 does not need to be sorted with HMRC until Sept/Jan depending on methods it may not be much quicker than this. Unfortunately different people have different circumstances. Last tax year I was a non tax payer (although I will be in future years). Because this situation was temporary, I didn't bother to declare that fact to my tax paying accounts. I therefore have tax to reclaim and wish to do that ASAP. Pity it wasn't this tax year as bank's are not deducting interest. I accept that my circumstances are probably unusual but TBH, in this day and age with computer transactions, I see no reason why Tax statements shouldn't be available after the last payment of the previous year has been processed.
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Post by aju on Apr 6, 2016 9:50:07 GMT
Hi Spiral,
Both of our situations have been unusual in that up till a couple of years ago I didn't pay tax and my wife did. I wrote letters to recover owed tax then and they always used to accept that. I just detailed the in-comings and the outgoings not all my many bank accounts had been set up for gross interest. The year I started my pension was a bit interesting but again the tax office simply accepted a letter detailing the simple incomings and outgoings. When my wife stopped work it was a similar situation but in her case instead of accepting the simple letter approach they asked her to fill out a sub form - can't remember the number - detailing the same info but more formally.
What i'm getting at here is two fold I think
1. A lot of the time depends on the Tax Officer dealing with the individual case
2. Depends on time of year I think as well - how busy are they etc.
One thing I will say though when I dealt with accountants etc it was always around June/July they seemed to want info for them to complete for tax purposes. I always send them a letter as soon as I have the info I need to tell them. Generally this stuff comes from banks sometime in June so I always waited for the info and then send them a letter. Not sure what I will do this year with the changes etc.
Added on Edit: You can claim back up to 6 years back anytime I think.
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Post by aju on Apr 6, 2016 10:55:02 GMT
Hi Spiral,
Its not really definitive as statements do not have a date on them as such but i've just checked my old statements and the dates of creation of the file says the following
2010/11 25th Apr 2011 2011/12 1st May 2012 2012/13 14th Apr 2013 2013/14 11th april 2014 2014/15 2nd may 2015
previous ones I didn't save
Allowing for the fact I didn't access them until after they were generated it seems to me that you can hopefully expect them sooner than I thought. Just keep an eye out over then next week or 2.
You could of course ask zopa direct by email if you really wanted a definitive answer.
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Post by spiral on Apr 10, 2016 8:16:34 GMT
OK I've spent a couple of hours yesterday and another couple this morning trying to get my head round this. I've downloaded the relevant statements and compiled a pivot table to strip out capital payments. I've compared this to my personal spreadsheet which compares previous balance to current balance (excl deposits and withdrawals) and assumes any increase is interest. At the end of the year I have 2.8% more interest than Zopa's downloads show. Or put another way, my balance has increased by 2.8% more than I can account for using Zopa's statements. The downloads include early adopter bonuses from May last year which I have included as income, one manual interest correction which is a debit so I have subtracted this from income. Comparing the discrepancies throughout the year I see it's OK up until the latter part of April 15 when it seems to be out by about 0.5%. It fluctuates between 0.4-0.6 until September when this amount jumps to about 1.5%. This is maintained until March when it jumps to 3% finally ending the year at 2.8% difference. Does anyone know of any ad hoc payments we may have received around 16/9/15 and 2/3/16 (- a couple of days) which appear to be the dates where my spreadsheet differs most from the Zopa downloads?
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Post by pom on Apr 10, 2016 8:55:28 GMT
I managed to download one last week though can't quite remember how I did it... oh yeah I used the "tax year to date option" and as it was after repayments had been made on the 5th it gave me the whole tax year...but won't work now. One to remember for next year if you're in a hurry tho !
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Post by spiral on Apr 10, 2016 9:40:26 GMT
I managed to download one last week though can't quite remember how I did it... oh yeah I used the "tax year to date option" and as it was after repayments had been made on the 5th it gave me the whole tax year...but won't work now. One to remember for next year if you're in a hurry tho ! Yeah I tried that yesterday. Pretty stupid function if you ask me. I can have a tax statement for 2016-17 or 2014-15 but for 2015-16 I have to download 13mths worth of daily transactions and try and get it to add up.
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Apr 10, 2016 14:12:48 GMT
Excuse me if this has been answered elsewhere (I did have a quick search), but when are Zopa likely to update our accounts to show income statements for the year ending 05/04/2016? I have a few pennies clinging on that I should probably declare. Are they usually fairly timely with this? Can't really be bothered e-mailing them over 15p or so! For the first time I had to fill out my Tax Return (on-line as it happens) as I've always sent a letter as some others have done, but I noticed when I did it that amounts less than a pound were ignored when I put my own figures in, so 99pence gets rounded to zero, as far as I can see they aren't interested in these small figures. But if you lent on Zopa, RS and perhaps some other untaxed interest income and this added up to more than 99pence they would expect to be told. But as the we now have the new Savings Allowance (zopa's blog entry here) and the new P2P Bad Debt Relief I was happy to fill in a Return and find out how to do it as it seems it will be a lot easier to do these new things on line in future (for some reason I have the idea that to uses these or claim them you had to be on-line, but that seems unreasonable to me). So if you intend to continue to lend and earn more than £0.99... spiral I've not checked but I did get two small sums paid to me a few months apart that were related to the double loans thingy that happened, if you remember this was where Zopa RR-ed a whole series of loans in most, if not all, loan books and then immediately bought them back at a slightly lower rate. I can't remember if I had hundreds or a thousand loans that Zopa did this to, but Zopa paid us what I took to be compensation for the drop in rate, in the scheme of things it was not a great deal of money so it might just account for a very small unexpected rise in your apparent income. Can anyone else remember the details? PS(actually I'm not certain what tax year that happened in)
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Post by spiral on Apr 10, 2016 16:06:24 GMT
spiral I've not checked but I did get two small sums paid to me a few months apart that were related to the double loans thingy that happened, if you remember this was where Zopa RR-ed a whole series of loans in most, if not all, loan books and then immediately bought them back at a slightly lower rate. I do remember this happening and at a guess, I'd say it probably was around late summer so that might explain the September issue although I'd expect the downloads to cover all of that. The March error was a red herring caused by a copy/paste issue from the multiple downloads that needed manipulating. I've now got the discrepancy down to 1.25% greater increase in actual balance than income from those downloadable statements. I've noticed that if viewing the monthly summaries online, I have some reclaimed bad debt in each month. I would expect these repayments to appear on the statements but even if so, they'd probably appear as capital only so would increase my balance but without appearing as interest , that'll account for another 0.4%. 0.8% out now and giving up. I expect the tax report (when available) will give me yet another figure but I was hoping to submit my return tomorrow, I guess I'll have to wait. Just for the record, SS took me 5 mins to sort out, MT took 20 mins, RS 2 hours, TC 3 hours and Zopa about 6 hours. For both Zopa and RS, I can't get the figures to add up but at least at RS I can download a tax statement so I can go with that figure. The other 3 all add up (although TC was a pigs ear to reconcille).
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Post by aju on Apr 10, 2016 22:12:34 GMT
I've been downloading monthly statements since day one and during the tax year (2015/16) I could not make things add up properly so I downloaded the years worth again and got a shock that some of the statements had changed from those i downloaded earlier in the year. I'm assuming that the RR debarcle and the missed periods of early adopter bonus etc was the cause of this. Bit worrying though that perhaps other years have been changed as well!
So I guess if you want this to be accurate as possible and if like me download them at the end of the month then it might be prudent to download them again.
I also notice that the new statements page, not sure which one but its the one where you can select "tax year to date", is a little bit annoying in that there is a link to create the tax data for the current! year but not for the previous year - this of course begs the question what use is it for the current year unless you catch it exactly on the 5th April perhaps. The report it creates looks quite officious so hopefully Zopa are going to develop this further to allow previous tax years to be created on the fly perhaps.
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Post by spiral on Apr 11, 2016 8:12:58 GMT
All of the monthly statements were downloaded this weekend so they are the latest available. I picked 3 of my weekly summary e-mails at random and just tried to reconcile them against the downloaded statements. 1 of the 3 had correct capital and interest v the downloaded statement but indicated that there were 3 more repayments than the download showed. 1 of the 3 had the correct number of repayments but indicated less interest and capital returned than the e-mail. The other had 1 extra repayment listed on the e-mail along with a higher amount of capital and interest returned than I could locate on the downloaded statement.
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Post by aju on Apr 11, 2016 14:59:46 GMT
Just noticed that the 2015/16 statement has arrived for me - not sure about its validity yet but more later
On the Statements screen I got the following on the right hand side.
"Your 2015/16 annual income statement is available now."
The link it points to is
"https://secure2.zopa.com/lender/statement/standard?date=previous_tax_year"
and it is also at the bottom of the "showing: List" as "2015/16 Tax year"
Ok so its available but its not like the previous years statement some bits are understandable but there are 3 numbered items at the bottom that are not referenced in the statement as in previous years. Also the actual amount to declare to the HMRC is not defined as far as I can tell the earning figure shown has removed bad debt which item 2 suggests is not recoverable.
Be interested what others think as at the moment my questions to zopa seem to be impossible for them to answer in a fashion that makes sense so this one may stump them too. I just wish they would stop creating reports and summaries that seem incorrect or nonsense without all the valid information.
The text below the statement button suggests that one can create a pdf but it justs goes straight to print which I guess if you use chrome has a create PDF option or if you have PDF creator might be true.
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Post by aju on Apr 11, 2016 15:09:55 GMT
I looked at previous statements and the 3 text items at the bottom seem to refer to the following items.
1. Interest earned from borrowers 2. Bad debt: New defaults 3. Bad debt: Capital returned from defaults
Not sure at this stage how to add up to get the missing but previously titled section "GROSS EARNINGS TO DECLARE TO HMRC" since the earning total is incorrect for HMRC - I think.
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Post by spiral on Apr 11, 2016 16:13:06 GMT
Just looked at my 2015-16 statement:
Interest earned is higher on this than the downloaded statements.
Early adopter bonus is the same. Bonus other (This includes rebates, goodwill payments and account corrections), well I can only see a couple of corrections on the statements and they deduct more than they add but the statement shows a positive value. Bad debt: Capital returned from defaults, I can't differentiate these on the statement but as these are capital, I'm ignoring these as they shouldn't be taxable.
Net result: Zopa statement shows 0.32% more income than my spreadsheet. Zopa statement shows 0.73% more income than monthly downloads.
@zopamat , can you give us some clues as to what to look for on the downloads to make the sums add up or better still provide a link on the statement to the breakdown of the totals. Below are the catagories that appear on my download statements. I have assumed that those coloured blue below are what should add up to my earnings but as you can see from above, they come out as 0.73% less than the total of interest earned and bonuses on the tax statement.
capital payment (no name) capital payment (with names) interest payment (with names) Lender bonus (early adopter) manual interest payment correction monthly lenders fee rebate safeguard capital payment(with names) safeguard interest payment(with names)
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