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Post by turtle on Apr 6, 2016 16:33:55 GMT
I'm brand new to this and have created an account but not invested anything yet. Is there any benefit of going for a pipeline loan rather than SM or vice versa? Want to take the plunge but I don't know anything about valuation reports etc - I assume other people invest in this without really understanding the documents but on the basis that whilst your money isn't guaranteed safe, there are safeguards in place?
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Post by solicitorious on Apr 6, 2016 17:36:31 GMT
no offence, but can you go off and do a bit of research first? You will find the answers or opinions to your question if you care to expend a little effort...
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Post by SteveT on Apr 6, 2016 17:42:27 GMT
I'd suggest starting with the Newbies threat pinned to the top of the SS board
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Post by supernumerary on Apr 6, 2016 17:45:33 GMT
Welcome to the message board turtle,
A few weeks ago, it was 'fastest finger' to get any money on the secondary market and pipeline loans were few and far between...
At the moment we are spoilt for choice, but the lean times may come back again so to speak, when it is difficult to invest extra money.
My advice is to get the money on loans that have the longest number of days to expire first and then diversify when you can, by buying what you like and selling and spreading the risk. I am sure there will be others who can advise you better than me...
Cooling_Dude, one of the 'p2p forum resident' Saving Stream, who is on a 'forced sabbatical' at the moment, was usually helpful to new members. So we all await his return. There are other board members who will help you though.
BTW, I am not a Saving Stream expert and don't work or advise them in any capacity, other than post on this message board. Hope that was helpful to you.
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Post by turtle on Apr 6, 2016 18:01:03 GMT
Thanks stevet and supernumary.
Solicitorious - I have done some reading but didn't find the answer hence I asked the question. I will do some more.
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Post by SteveT on Apr 6, 2016 18:08:36 GMT
If you want to get some funds invested immediately PBLs 87 and 88 are essentially still new loans that haven't quite yet filled (left the pipeline a couple of weeks ago). There are 3 or 4 other fairly recent ones currently with availability (64 / 73 / 77 / 80) and 25 will likely turn into a DFL shortly, at which point holdings will be rolled over into the new loan. The SM has a lot less available than it had even a few days ago so the cupboard may soon be bare again (famine mode!). Otherwise, I'd set your pre-funding targets and wait for new ones to launch over the coming weeks.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Apr 6, 2016 18:32:23 GMT
And to re-iterate, the only safeguard is to understand what you are doing, and what the risks are. You can read other people's opinions here, but that's no substitute for having your own. Maybe they can afford to lose the odd £100k .. maybe you can't (or vice versa). There is a provision fund at SS but it is small (2% of loans IIRC) and discretionary. There is no government protection, the real protection is the charge on the asset and the valuation that says the asset will sell (fairly fast) for more than you/we have lent against it.
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Post by poppyland on Apr 6, 2016 19:30:38 GMT
Hi Turtle, I'm fairly new to this too, and only went for pipeline loans for the first few weeks. The problem with this was that I ended up getting allocated huge amounts. Then we had some more money to invest, and instead of waiting for the pipeline I spread it around lots of loans on the secondary market. Yesterday I sold parts of our bigger loans, and reinvested them on the secondary market in order to have a bit more balance.
So I would say it doesn't matter too much what you do - you can wait for pipeline stuff or just put some money into things that are available on the secondary market. That way you will start earning 12% interest right away. Do read at least the brief info about each loan though, as it's a bit pointless to put money into something which is on the brink of repaying. It's also a good idea to avoid SM stuff that there is a lot of, as it could be harder to sell if you need to/want to at a later date. But even saying that, my worst time to sell something was one week, and that was when I deliberately put up a piece of Bedfordshire land right in the middle of a huge glut of it on the market to test what would happen). Most stuff I've sold has been bought up the same day, often within a couple of minutes.
So basically, your investments are fairly fluid, whatever you start out with. Have fun investing.
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Post by star dust on Apr 6, 2016 20:02:43 GMT
I've been investing with SS for over two years and am more than happy with them, but you need to bear in mind that the market might be fairly fluid at the moment, but it may not always be that way. So whilst you may be able to sell loan parts easily now, things could change very quickly, so you should only invest in loans that you would be happy to hold until term, or beyond if necessary and they do not repay at term or default. There is a reasonable amount on the market, so have a look and decide to invest in the loans that seem best to you, or if you are still unsure at least spread your funds across a lot of loans to diversify a bit. Also it would be very unlikely that no-one will lose any capital at all over the longer term. Property prices dropped by 30% on average during the last downturn, and commercial property can often be hit hardest. Don't invest what you cannot afford to lose. The 12% interest rate reflects the fact that the investment is not risk free.
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Post by warn on Apr 7, 2016 7:48:40 GMT
the real protection is the charge on the asset and the valuation that says the asset will sell (fairly fast) for more than you/we have lent against it. And not to be a total wet blanket (I'm very keen on SS myself), but do read that as "...the valuation that opines the asset should sell..."
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Post by ben on Apr 7, 2016 9:23:51 GMT
It also depends on your investment strategy some people just invest a bit in everything in the hope that it will balance out over the long term and others prefer to read the details and invest in what they believe are the better loans. Personally I do a bit of both I usually invest a small amount in most loans on SS which is just a gamble and more in the loans that I prefer.
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Post by turtle on Apr 8, 2016 19:32:05 GMT
Thanks all for your views so far and your welcomes. I have requested a prefund of one of the loans and also invested small amounts in 2 loans on the SM. I will only be investing small amounts in total (certainly nothing to risk the roof over our head!) but it's interesting to invest in something a bit different to the usual high interest current accounts and S&S ISAs. I'm fully aware there's no real protection but I'm ok with that and will stick to amounts that wouldn't really matter if I lost them.
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Post by Liz on Apr 8, 2016 20:47:40 GMT
Thanks all for your views so far and your welcomes. I have requested a prefund of one of the loans and also invested small amounts in 2 loans on the SM. I will only be investing small amounts in total (certainly nothing to risk the roof over our head!) but it's interesting to invest in something a bit different to the usual high interest current accounts and S&S ISAs. I'm fully aware there's no real protection but I'm ok with that and will stick to amounts that wouldn't really matter if I lost them. Great to hear, I would try and invest over time in at least 20 loans and maybe other platforms, to spread your risk. Good luck.
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