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Post by stevie on Apr 11, 2016 15:45:38 GMT
My investments are currently heavily weighted towards SS. I do have other small portions in RS & FC, but I am looking for other platforms similar to SS:
* Fairly high interest * Loans secured against high value items * LTV's around the same as SS * Healthy Secondary market (ideally with no fees, or low fees)
The choice of platforms is starting to get rather overwhelming, so I wondered if anyone here has some suggestions.
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Post by SteveT on Apr 11, 2016 15:49:33 GMT
My investments are currently heavily weighted towards SS. I do have other small portions in RS & FC, but I am looking for other platforms similar to SS: * Fairly high interest * Loans secured against high value items * LTV's around the same as SS * Healthy Secondary market (ideally with no fees, or low fees) The choice of platforms is starting to get rather overwhelming, so I wondered if anyone here has some suggestions. MT, AC. Also FS, except for the SM which is "different"
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Post by sam i am on Apr 11, 2016 15:50:38 GMT
I was in a similar position to you a few months ago and tried out MoneyThing. It's asset-backed lending against a variety of assets (pawn shop assets, cars) but increasingly they are now lending against property which moves them closer to SS. They are generally well regarded on this forum as they are possibly the best platform at engaging with investors.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 15:53:26 GMT
MT, FS might suit you. I have 6 portals after 18 months p2p. I'm coming out of one, one is in slow decline, but with the other 4 I can remain 99%+ invested at my capital limit, when you have a drought in one, there is a rain burst in another.
Just SS would worry me, too much property, something in the next 4 years is going to burst and property will fall, so you need to spread your risks across both portals and loan types to minimise the affects of single area failure.
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Post by stevie on Apr 11, 2016 15:56:38 GMT
I was in a similar position to you a few months ago and tried out MoneyThing. It's asset-backed lending against a variety of assets (pawn shop assets, cars) but increasingly they are now lending against property which moves them closer to SS. They are generally well regarded on this forum as they are possibly the best platform at engaging with investors. Thanks I remembered researching MT a while ago, and didn't like the idea of pawn shop assets. My assumption was that if there are defaults, that the administration costs of recovering money from the asset would not make it worth it. But loans against property is definitely more interesting. Thanks
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Post by stevie on Apr 11, 2016 15:59:01 GMT
MT, FS might suit you. I have 6 portals after 18 months p2p. I'm coming out of one, one is in slow decline, but with the other 4 I can remain 99%+ invested at my capital limit, when you have a drought in one, there is a rain burst in another. Just SS would worry me, too much property, something in the next 4 years is going to burst and property will fall, so you need to spread your risks across both portals and loan types to minimise the affects of single area failure. What other loan types do you go for?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 16:12:14 GMT
jewelry, cars, wind turbines, art (spit), managed loans, boats, planes sometimes, business investments, restaurants, biomass, anything with a sensible income stream that the borrower can explain in simple words and numbers which show that there is a very good chance they can not only pay me my interest but also return my capital.
I've bored others here with my core rules but basically they boil down to 1) don't select but do reject (I reject 50% min) 2) anything you don't understand, you don't understand it, so don't lend to it (though people here can explain a lot of the technical terms) 3) if a project has not got planning permission it has no permission to be a building, so don't lend to it 4) if the business is being "restructured" to let the son run it, let him do that and don't lend to it. 5) I'm very dull I don't like risk. 6) No point in winning 10% and losing 100%. 7) don't rush into investments you wouldn't want to have talked your father-in-law into and then had to bail him out of. 8) imagine you are looking back in 2 years time, would you be certain to get all your money back? Plan accordingly 9) there will always be another great-newest-thing 10) spread your loans by repayment durations as well. Think why does he want 5 years to pay that back or why only 6 months? Often they don't have a clue but sometimes.. 11) read these threads
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Post by ladywhitenap on Apr 11, 2016 16:18:00 GMT
Ablrate is another that I'm poking a toe in the water with. Different duration loans some interest only, some amortising. generally 10-13% interest Mainly asset backed. They could be a little more communicative but that applies to SS too! Their SM is more complicated with the ability to sell above & below par. I prefer the simplicity of the SM on MT and SS to be frank. Repayments are made on the monthly anniversary of each loan ( well you know what I mean even if it is technically the wrong term!!)
LW
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 16:22:46 GMT
I was in a similar position to you a few months ago and tried out MoneyThing. It's asset-backed lending against a variety of assets (pawn shop assets, cars) but increasingly they are now lending against property which moves them closer to SS. They are generally well regarded on this forum as they are possibly the best platform at engaging with investors. Thanks I remembered researching MT a while ago, and didn't like the idea of pawn shop assets. My assumption was that if there are defaults, that the administration costs of recovering money from the asset would not make it worth it. But loans against property is definitely more interesting. Thanks The pawn shop recovery of assets is a pretty well worn path and the only true dangers would be 1) the things are spirited out of the country (not that likely but power boats could flee) 2) the things are incorrectly valued (there are paths around this fear) In property and pawn property one concern is the negotiated value of a half built development may be too low. That exists for either route. My fear about loans for property is one of valuation and development stages, certainly in the last 12 months I've seen nonsense valuations on a number of deals and a few have either not flown or collapsed quietly. There is nothing that is no risk
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Post by goldservice on Apr 11, 2016 16:25:55 GMT
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