oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on Sept 26, 2017 13:00:47 GMT
I'm sure I can't be the only one who keeps a copy of everything related to Lendy loans… I don't have a copy any more as I'm a long time out of this one, but there's probably a copy lurking on my backup drive in Spain. Well if Lendy won't show us the extent of the valuation mess, sure as anything someone will find it somewhere in an archive, so the sooner Lendy explain everything the better. HAAAA! Told you!
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Post by oldgrumpy on Sept 26, 2017 13:05:44 GMT
Lendy Investors' risk statement.
The Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) does not prescribe how we should address or disclose the risks relevant to lenders on the Platform, nor the level of diversification investors should seek to mitigate risks, but does require us to ensure all information we provide to users of the Platform is fair, clear and not misleading.
Well, that's all right then.
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Post by guff on Sept 26, 2017 13:21:09 GMT
Well if Lendy won't show us the extent of the valuation mess, sure as anything someone will find it somewhere in an archive, so the sooner Lendy explain everything the better. HAAAA! Told you! I wonder where it came from… No, you're wrong!
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Post by martin44 on Sept 26, 2017 13:21:16 GMT
It's rumored that this is up for sale for £1m , it is being marketed by the same people who submitted the VR (JLL) no asking price on their sight it's £on application , are they really bold enough to be marketing this at £1m when they valued it at £5m?.... Beggars belief. Looking through the details, it clearly states that the plot has full access from Wo****nd v**w. I cannot understand nor ascertain what has happened to reduce the value by 80% (£5m down to £1m) Paul64 edit. ***** just in case. second edit. Now managed to find it with a price ... £900k
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Post by oldgrumpy on Sept 26, 2017 13:27:05 GMT
It's rumored that this is up for sale for £1m , it is being marketed by the same people who submitted the VR (JLL) no asking price on their sight it's £on application , are they really bold enough to be marketing this at £1m when they valued it at £5m?.... Beggars belief.
Looking through the details, it clearly states that the plot has full access from Wo****nd v**w. I cannot understand nor ascertain what has happened to reduce the value by 80% (£5m down to £1m) Paul64 edit. ***** just in case. My blue. So that's why the valuer required Lendy to remove the valuation from the loan details. I think I see now. edit: makes me question my comment three posts up.
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Post by martin44 on Sept 26, 2017 13:42:16 GMT
Also being marketed elsewhere for £900k ... An audit/tax/consultancy firm that seem to deal in distressed assets.
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Post by martin44 on Sept 26, 2017 14:00:27 GMT
My blue. So that's why the valuer required Lendy to remove the valuation from the loan details. I think I see now. edit: makes me question my comment three posts up. The full statement is; " Proposed vehicular and pedestrian access is from Woodland View, which is an adopted Highway, with an existing pedestrian access via Weeks Road. We have assumed access rights exist and that there is no ransom situation". So I don't think the finger of blame can be laid at the door of the Valuer when he clearly states he has made an assumption which Lendy should have checked out. You may have hit on something there, on the other site i found that is marketing the asset it states.. Site The site comprises a Greenfield site extending to 4.57 hectares (11.30 acres). It slopes gently downhill from the western boundary, offering sea views over the nearby estuary to the north. Existing pedestrian access to the site is via W**ks Road to the east with proposed vehicular access from Wo****nd View to the west. There are no mature trees on the site other than around the boundaries providing the site with a private setting whilst retaining its close proximity to local amenities and services.
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oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on Sept 26, 2017 14:04:47 GMT
It's a bargain!
I think.
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 26, 2017 14:11:50 GMT
It certainly will be if the buyer just happens to be the owner of the ransom strip!
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Post by seeingred on Sept 26, 2017 14:49:16 GMT
I have asked Lendy to clarify. I have several thousand in this one. I am owed some answers. So are many other investors. This PBL on the Isle of Wight is not like Exeter DFL001 and DFL002 - project(s) gone wrong owing to lots of money having been (mis)spent on site or some misjudgements as to market value of hi-tech homes, for example. It is a project still on the same drawing board as when the valuation was done. So what has changed? We all accept that building projects can go wrong once they have started on site. Ground conditions may prove troublesome, the market for a specific type of home can crash, local employers can go bust leading to a severe local downturn in local property prices, key people may die. People who invest in diamonds, gold and other bling must accept that the markets may crash at intervals. These risks and the capital losses that may result from them are not a consequence of platform incompetence. All of these risks we accept when we fund DFLs. But this is not a DFL. It is a building site with full PP for a substantial development close to the venue for Cowes Week - an area of particular PR importance to one of the fastest growing P2P platforms. My thanks to those who have kept and distributed extracts from the VR. Their observations and disclosures thus far appear to suggest that either there was gross incompetence at Lendy Towers or there was gross incompetence at Lendy Towers. As I read it so far, a valuation of £5 million was accepted with only £1M of insurance cover and with no check being made as to the presence of a ransom strip despite a clear 'warning' in the report that no check had been made as to whether one existed. Is this correct? To end what could be damaging speculation here (and maybe elsewhere in the wider Press), and all perhaps based on false rumour, could Lendy now state what exactly is the problem and who ought to have discovered it before the loan of £3 million was made available?
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Post by GeorgeT on Sept 26, 2017 15:14:41 GMT
From what I can make out from the VR excerpts quoted here,the valuer valued on the assumption that access rights existed and that there was no ransom strip that needed to be acquired. That was made clear in the report. While it's common sense to ensure a valuer's PII cover is sufficient having regard to the advice being sought, I don't think the insurance is the issue. The valuer seems to have made clear his assumptions (either that he was asked to value on, or assumed) and given the big financial cost of acquiring ransom strips to facilitate/create development sites it's a crucial and hugely valuation significant issue that LY should have checked out. If this is the reason for loss of so much value then it looks like this comes down to SS/LY's inexperience in land and property matters. They seemed to move into property without any prior experience or expertise in the sector and perhaps lack (or lacked) the competence to identify this point as crucial. Maybe they should have stuck to what they knew - boats. Or else maybe they were so keen to grow at a massive rate that they were in a phase of throwing caution to the wind in terms of DD because they wanted this multi million £ piece of business. Quite a few loans seem to have gone ahead more out of a desire to grow the business really fast and with thorough DD being sacrificed to achieve that aim. Maybe now the loan book is maturing the chickens are coming home to roost.
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Post by wottalot on Sept 26, 2017 15:44:22 GMT
I do have the original Valuation for this loan, as well as the Appendix. If anyone would like to have a copy, please suggest a way of sending the PDF to you directly.
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seeingred
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Post by seeingred on Sept 26, 2017 16:51:16 GMT
They seemed to move into property without any prior experience or expertise in the sector and perhaps lack (or lacked) the competence to identify this point as crucial. Maybe they should have stuck to what they knew - boats. This is PBL94. So after 93 other building loans they still omit to check one of the most crucial issues? Was there at this time no one in Lendy Towers with any building development and/or land purchase experience? And didn't they seek a barrister's opinion on some aspects of planning? If indeed a ransom strip is the issue: we await clarification.
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Post by beechside on Sept 26, 2017 19:34:48 GMT
Ironically, I have an advert at the bottom of my page: "Don't get held hostage by ransomware". Sophos offering to prevent aforementioned threat. Shame they can't also protect strips of land...
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Post by martin44 on Sept 26, 2017 19:45:46 GMT
They seemed to move into property without any prior experience or expertise in the sector and perhaps lack (or lacked) the competence to identify this point as crucial. Maybe they should have stuck to what they knew - boats. This is PBL94. So after 93 other building loans they still omit to check one of the most crucial issues? Was there at this time no one in Lendy Towers with any building development and/or land purchase experience? And didn't they seek a barrister's opinion on some aspects of planning? If indeed a ransom strip is the issue: we await clarification.I personally don't think this is a site access issue, after spending some time rooting around today, i found quite a comprehensive document included in the original planning application with regards to the use of wo****nd view as the main access rd....(All 100% good)... i would envisage that this is a highways agency England rd where checks would have been made prior to ensure access would not be an issue. Also The original drawings for the project include.... 'Single Access Point from Woodland View (leading to Ashey Road).' Not sure if this is good news or bad... still non the wiser as to the drastic reduction in value. edited spelling
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