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Post by earthbound on Apr 30, 2016 15:54:59 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Apr 30, 2016 16:17:17 GMT
Thought id ask the question will the eu/usa ttip agreement be good or bad for the uk. Personally i think bad. Ask me when it's agreed, and we know what the agreement actually IS. And don't forget to let me know what the alternative is. BTW, that Indie link is a personal opinion piece, not journalism.
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Post by earthbound on Apr 30, 2016 16:25:32 GMT
Thought id ask the question will the eu/usa ttip agreement be good or bad for the uk. Personally i think bad. Ask me when it's agreed, and we know what the agreement actually IS. And don't forget to let me know what the alternative is. BTW, that Indie link is a personal opinion piece, not journalism.  Ok.. I'll make a little edit above. edit.. Opinion/thought welcome.
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Post by mrclondon on Apr 30, 2016 17:40:32 GMT
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Post by pikestaff on Apr 30, 2016 17:53:53 GMT
A very good thing. If it happens and if we are part of it.
If we leave the EU we won't be part of it. But Brexit would probably kill it anyway because we are one of its strongest advocates within the EU.
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Post by earthbound on Apr 30, 2016 17:54:16 GMT
IMO .. I am not fully confident that documents released by the gov, led by the man that lays claim to being the instigator of TTIP would necessarily give everyone the opportunity to form an independent opinion, journalistic pieces in opposition to gov opinions (propaganda) are also important to form an independent opinion.
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Post by earthbound on Apr 30, 2016 18:00:30 GMT
A very good thing. If it happens and if we are part of it. If we leave the EU we won't be part of it. But Brexit would probably kill it anyway because we are one of its strongest advocates within the EU. , i have read a lot of contradictory opinions over the last few months, but most surprising is the general opinion that brexit would not alter our position where TTIP is concerned, as pointed out earlier, the negotiations are still ongoing (in secret, mostly) and we will not be given any say in its outcome (by we i mean the general population) This trade agreement WILL affect banking regulation in the UK and who knows if, down the road, p2p lending/borrowing will be affected.
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Post by adrianc on May 1, 2016 8:06:37 GMT
as pointed out earlier, the negotiations are still ongoing (in secret, mostly) Not that secret... trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2016/april/tradoc_154480.pdftrade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?id=1230Government documents can only be released under strict legal conditions. Opinion pieces in newspapers are those which are not sufficiently unbiased to actually be called journalism. Nobody knows yet what would happen if we leave the EU - because the first step after the referendum result will be to START a long and undoubtedly tortuous process of negotiation with the EU as to how we would deal with them in the future. That's going to take years before we actually leave. We won't wake up on 24th (or even 25th) June and hear headlines saying "You voted, so we've left already." Then there would be the process of negotiating a UK-US trade deal - with whoever the president is then. And the US have said they won't be starting that until TTIP's finished. If and when those negotiations do start (would Trump even be bothered?), then you can bet they'll start by the US handing the UK a copy of the ratified TTIP and a marker pen and saying "Right, show us why we shouldn't just start from this..."
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Post by earthbound on May 1, 2016 12:14:50 GMT
The link below seems to be a fairly unbiased view of TTIP explaining (i think) what is known so far. fullfact.org/europe/TTIP/ |
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Post by JamesFrance on May 2, 2016 16:36:08 GMT
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Post by earthbound on May 2, 2016 16:41:39 GMT
Good link james.. the end may be nigh.. and good riddance to it.
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Post by ilmoro on May 2, 2016 16:52:26 GMT
Guess we'll be at the front of the Q post Brexit after all then  |
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Post by earthbound on May 2, 2016 16:59:04 GMT
Guess we'll be at the front of the Q post Brexit after all then Line please.. Line.. no such word as queue in USA, unless the speech was written elsewhere, number 10 somewhere or other.
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Ok.. I'll make a little edit above.
