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Post by GSV3MIaC on May 14, 2016 17:13:19 GMT
Pre funding limited to the highest amount you lend on any other loan so far would be a fair option. Whether this would be easy to implement, I have no idea. That'd need some work or nobody would ever get started!
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Post by mikes1531 on May 14, 2016 18:13:56 GMT
PS try midnight, I think a lot will be for sale. Given that this is a weekend, midnight Sunday is likely to be the biggest bun fight. I'm really not sure the wee hours of Monday morning are going to be such a huge bonanza for SM buyers. The amount returned to SS investors' accounts when PBL059 repaid on Wednesday was £3080k plus about £11k of interest accrued so far this month. I haven't a clue how much of that stayed within SS waiting for the new loans, but I doubt much was deployed elsewhere and couldn't be brought back to SS if needed to settle negative balances. The total funding required for PBL095 and PBL09 was £2995k. Between that and the fact that today's allocation factors were pretty low, I'm not sure there will be that much selling required to cover overbuying of the new loans, especially if some people are trying to increase their overall SS portfolio. There's been a fair amount of SM activity today as people rebalance their portfolios, and there probably will be more of that throughout the weekend, but the only people who'll wait until Monday to sell are those trying to earn a few extra pence of interest.
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Post by mikes1531 on May 14, 2016 18:35:28 GMT
... and new members who don't know the system, will Lose out and may leave the site forever. To be honest, if SS can't provide enough loans to keep their existing investors happy, then having more investors would only lead to more disappointed investors. Therefore, losing some investors actually might not be such a bad thing.
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Post by earthbound on May 14, 2016 18:48:35 GMT
Given that this is a weekend, midnight Sunday is likely to be the biggest bun fight. I'm really not sure the wee hours of Monday morning are going to be such a huge bonanza for SM buyers mikes1531 I have run nearly my whole portfolio on the SM for 2 an a half years... You say you are not really sure... Well I say I am positively sure... The SS .. SM works perfect.. If YOU are prepared to work it.. If you expect to log in and get what you want you will be disappointed.. If you log in and are prepared to spend 2/3 or 4 hours on a day... It's there ... 12% doesn't come easy... You need to work for it.. And I do.. Everyday. And I get it... SS at the moment is oversubscribed.. Everyone who uses SS should realise that by now.. The newbies will be disappointed but only at the outset of there ambitions, they like me will soon realise that actually 12% is not that easy with SS .... But it is achievable with almost any reasonable amount if they are willing to put in a bit of effort.
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Post by Liz on May 14, 2016 18:54:31 GMT
... and new members who don't know the system, will Lose out and may leave the site forever. To be honest, if SS can't provide enough loans to keep their existing investors happy, then having more investors would only lead to more disappointed investors. Therefore, losing some investors actually might not be such a bad thing. True, although the talk of £20m- 30m of new loans per month may test the pockets of members. SS are advertising hard on google, so do they do seem to want all these new members.
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Post by earthbound on May 14, 2016 19:22:00 GMT
Lively SM and very rich pipeline. Be a bit patient and you will be able to invest all you dream of Couldn't have put it any better.. No love ebbing anywhere from here.
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Post by sam i am on May 14, 2016 20:27:29 GMT
Given that this is a weekend, midnight Sunday is likely to be the biggest bun fight. I'm really not sure the wee hours of Monday morning are going to be such a huge bonanza for SM buyers. The amount returned to SS investors' accounts when PBL059 repaid on Wednesday was £3080k plus about £11k of interest accrued so far this month. I haven't a clue how much of that stayed within SS waiting for the new loans, but I doubt much was deployed elsewhere and couldn't be brought back to SS if needed to settle negative balances. The total funding required for PBL095 and PBL09 was £2995k. Between that and the fact that today's allocation factors were pretty low, I'm not sure there will be that much selling required to cover overbuying of the new loans, especially if some people are trying to increase their overall SS portfolio. There's been a fair amount of SM activity today as people rebalance their portfolios, and there probably will be more of that throughout the weekend, but the only people who'll wait until Monday to sell are those trying to earn a few extra pence of interest. If history is anything to go by then Sunday night (rather than tonight) will be the bigger event. And I'm sure there will be a fair amount of activity. But your point is a fair one and there may well not be as much activity as there has been on some other occasions.
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Post by homes119 on May 14, 2016 21:39:28 GMT
My primary concern with all this is not necessarily the pre-fund game though it is starting to get annoying and it cannot be sustained in the long term.
My issue is more with the fact that it seems that it is becoming increasingly difficult to increase diversification while maintaining the same exposure on a per loan basis.
For example, if you have 100 pounds in 50 different loans and 5k total invested, it will soon be impossible to increase your investment to 10k while maintaining your per loan exposure to 100 pounds (i.e. increase diversification from 50 to 100 loans). Going forward, increasing your investment will need to result in an increase in the amount you invest per loan. The pace of origination is not keeping up with repayments + compounding interest.
Over time, this will further increase the money pool chasing each loan resulting in even lower percentage allocations. Not to mention the increasing number of investors.
Am I correct in my reasoning?
Basically, the pace of origination needs to increase in a way that maintains the current level of quality. I don't know if this is feasible. As in, Saving Stream capacity can be improved vs very limited amount of opportunities in the market (given the nature of the assets and the number of players and platforms competing for origination.
Regardless of what saving stream does with the pre-fund game, unless the pool of money chasing each loan goes down (i.e. lower ROI, yikes!) or the pace of origination speeds up, we could eventually reach a "each investor gets to invest 1 pound scenario".
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Post by mikes1531 on May 15, 2016 0:02:55 GMT
I'm really not sure the wee hours of Monday morning are going to be such a huge bonanza for SM buyers mikes1531 I have run nearly my whole portfolio on the SM for 2 an a half years... You say you are not really sure... Well I say I am positively sure... The SS .. SM works perfect.. If YOU are prepared to work it.. earthbound: I think you have misunderstood what I am unsure about. sam i am suggested that Monday morning would be 'the biggest bun fight', and I took that to mean a very active SM with lots of buying opportunities. I was simply saying that with all the funds returned to SS investors' accounts from PBL059 on Wednesday I wasn't sure there's be that much selling on Monday because people would have invested their PBL059 proceeds into the Saturday's new loans and not be wanting/needing to sell anything on Monday because they wouldn't have big negative balances (as they would have had if it wasn't for PBL059 repaying). I agree that the SM is working well at the moment. It does take some effort to buy parts, but it is possible. After the PBL059 payout Wednesday, I kept my eye on the SM and managed to reinvest a fair amount of my proceeds on Thursday and Friday. If it wasn't for the fact that my PBL059 holding was far larger than my average holding I'd have reinvested all my PBL059 proceeds by Friday night. If the long list of imminent repayments actually come to pass, then it will be even harder to make SM purchases, but that difficulty is not caused by the system -- it's simply the result of the supply/demand imbalance. The only solution to that is more loan origination, and I'm sure SS/Lendy are doing all they can to achieve that. I wish them luck.
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Post by am on May 15, 2016 9:04:47 GMT
I lend on both SS and MT. I know the rules on both and abide by (play along with) the rules on both. But I find SS far more flexible which is why I have over 5x as much invested on SS than MT. I also lend on both SS and MT. But although I started earlier on SS (I ignored MT until BPF came along) I've now got 20% more capital lent at MT than at SS.
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Post by am on May 15, 2016 9:12:23 GMT
Pre funding limited to the highest amount you lend on any other loan so far would be a fair option. Whether this would be easy to implement, I have no idea. That'd need some work or nobody would ever get started! Not quite. They could get their entitlement by buying on the secondary market. On the other hand buying on the secondary market is not exactly easy for most of the time.
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Post by ben on May 15, 2016 9:24:02 GMT
There is other places to invest as well whatever they do nobody will be happy.
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Post by earthbound on May 15, 2016 10:41:01 GMT
There is other places to invest as well whatever they do nobody will be happy. I'm sure at least one person would be.
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Post by moist on May 15, 2016 12:10:01 GMT
well I joined SS a week ago, and yes takes a little work...but have got over £10k in this week without issue
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Post by cooling_dude on May 15, 2016 12:48:09 GMT
well I joined SS a week ago, and yes takes a little work...but have got over £10k in this week without issue Is that "pick up any loan that becomes available on the SM" or are you doing any DD?
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